another VW 020 ring & pinion group order

Anyone interested?

John has some youropeian contact for 020 4.46 ring and pinions with a target price around $500 each (I would assume depends on shipping / exchange rate somewhat).

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http://www.ckrally.com

I've already got one (from the last set john got over here) but just wanted to say that the 4.46 is awesome! Waaaaay better than stock.

I am interested in a 4.46 and/or above. Tried vortex a little but not much interest.

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

I don't think most people really understand what a final drive does to a car... Here's the post I put up in Colorado section of specialstage for all those that don't come here.

Check out this thread...
http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/r...8288#msg-28288

Possible group buy to import some 4.46 ring and pinions for 020 transmission from Europe. Around $500 per. This is the second such group buy.
I'm stealing this from an online ad for a $850 E46 BMW ring and pinion ad. Says it all pretty well...
Hands down - one of the best performance upgrades you can make to an E46 M3! With almost no downside you can make your M3 much quicker by swapping in a new ring & pinion gear set. The R&P acts as a torque multiplier, getting you into the power band quicker in each gear. There is an 8% increase in torque at the wheels with the shorter R&P. Want to make your car faster off the line or out of corners? This is what you need.

That's for a 3.62 to a 3.91 to get the 8% increase. I particularily like the last two sentences....
Want to know what that'll do for your car, take 4.46 and divide it by the ratio of your current ring and pinion and you'll have percentage increase in torque from this one modification that I spend so much time telling people is so important and the one major downfall of my car that I horribly need to overcome. My produces around 210 ft lbs of torque peak. So with 3.64 final drive that's 765 ft. lbs at wheels. The 4.3 that I hope to use will be around 900 ft lbs at wheels.

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Grant Hughes

I'm interested in this.

But my question is, how bad of an idea would it be to run this without a LSD? I'm looking at a $$$ to performance gain and getting a final drive or LSD seem to be my only options really. I'm not so much towards a LSD because it's the more expensive part. I know both together = awesome but I don't really want to spend the money on both.

I'd think the gearing would be a hot ticket, since the current gearing (and I noticed making the climp up the first hill at brockway) was terrible and so pitiful. But having the ability to just pin the throttle in turns and point the wheels where to go would seem good as well.

I know I can weld the diff, but Lurch said he blew up 020's all the time with a welded diff. I don't feel like losing a trans left and right and really don't want to have a welded diff (even though it is the poor man's LSD).

BillyElliot Wrote:
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> I'm interested in this.
>
> But my question is, how bad of an idea would it be
> to run this without a LSD? I'm looking at a $$$
> to performance gain and getting a final drive or
> LSD seem to be my only options really. I'm not so
> much towards a LSD because it's the more expensive
> part. I know both together = awesome but I don't
> really want to spend the money on both.
>
> I'd think the gearing would be a hot ticket, since
> the current gearing (and I noticed making the
> climp up the first hill at brockway) was terrible
> and so pitiful. But having the ability to just
> pin the throttle in turns and point the wheels
> where to go would seem good as well.
>
> I know I can weld the diff, but Lurch said he blew
If you are not making too much power go with the poor mans peloquin, and pick up the R&P.
> up 020's all the time with a welded diff. I don't
> feel like losing a trans left and right and really
> don't want to have a welded diff (even though it
> is the poor man's LSD).

I'm a bit of a newbie with the "poor mans Peloquin". From what I read, the peloquin is more like a Quaife but not as good (it's still torsen but people swear by Quaife over Peloquin). Is the poor mans kit the shims added to the Pleoquin? But from prices, the Peloquin and Quaife are about in the same area of price.

Is there something I'm missing?

I have this 4.46 and love it...

BillyElliot Wrote:
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> I'm a bit of a newbie with the "poor mans
> Peloquin". From what I read, the peloquin is more
> like a Quaife but not as good (it's still torsen
> but people swear by Quaife over Peloquin). Is the
> poor mans kit the shims added to the Pleoquin?
> But from prices, the Peloquin and Quaife are about
> in the same area of price.
>
> Is there something I'm missing?

What you might be missing is the boat on this round.
Sometimes you gotta jump when its time to jump and think when it's time to think.
It's time to jump.

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Well, you mind helping me out on what I'm missing. Either his "poor man's" LSD is a welded diff, but it's the first time I've heard someone mentioning a "poor man's peloquin".

I have two previous uses of a "poor man's" LSD and that's a welded diff or using left foot braking.

Thanks

BillyElliot Wrote:
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> Well, you mind helping me out on what I'm missing.
> Either his "poor man's" LSD is a welded diff, but
> it's the first time I've heard someone mentioning
> a "poor man's peloquin".
>
> I have two previous uses of a "poor man's" LSD and
> that's a welded diff or using left foot braking.
>
> Thanks

I have no idea unless they're talking about shimming the stuffin outta those spring loaded inner driver deals.
I got my nice all steel LSD at the same time I got my nice 2.5 firsd/0,92 top close ratio trannie and 5.85 ring and pinion way back in 1985, so i's dun knows nuffins about po mans LSD.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

it preloads the factory diff,

http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=199

Shim kit is ok, but nothing to write home about. Slightly noticeable on the street, and even less so when pounding on it.

Billy, contact Paul Koll and ask him how he likes his welded diff and 4.46 combo. He's done both days of sno drift, both nemidji 1's, and the two gravity park rallies so far with it. He broke 2 axles at gravity park, but that was due to overtightening the axle nuts. So far no cracked trans cases.

Karl Beiwald has been running a 4.88 with a welded diff in his 2l 16v golf since he built the thing. Its now on its second owner. I know Karl never had any problems with it cracking cases.

Welding = awesome.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2009 06:10PM by Carl S.

Carl S Wrote:
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> Billy, contact Paul Koll and ask him how he likes
> his welded diff and 4.46 combo. He's done both
> days of sno drift, both nemidji 1's, and the two
> gravity park rallies so far with it. He broke 2
> axles at gravity park, but that was due to
> overtightening the axle nuts. So far no cracked
> trans cases.
>


Over tightening the axle nuts? how would this affect the axles other than stripping the threads on the end?

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Unless you can come up with a better reason why the splined shaft sheared off of the outer cv joint right where it goes into the hub. Too tight was all we could come up with. And thats how both failed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2009 06:18PM by Carl S.