Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:

> Well that's the point I was trying to make. I
> thought the American Chevettes were a fair amount
> different?

Only in that the US Chevettes got the 'small' drivelines, similar to a 1.2 litre Kadett. Had they been equipped with bigger engines, they'd most likely be the same as your Ascona's driveline. My pal Ernie Bello down in Florida vintage races a real German Kadett C, and it's been amazing finding out what bolts right up to it from North American cars (Isuzu, Chevette, other older Opels, etc).

This same person has fitted Opel 1.9 engines into Chevettes and he said pretty much everything just bolts into place. Used a rear axle from an Isuzu I-Mark (same ring and pinion diameter as German 1.9 driveline and proper width for Chevette chassis), and voilà...you have a Kadett C for all intents and purposes.

Bob

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Ascona73 Wrote:
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> Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
>
> > Well that's the point I was trying to make.
> I
> > thought the American Chevettes were a fair
> amount
> > different?
>
> Only in that the US Chevettes got the 'small'
> drivelines, similar to a 1.2 litre Kadett. Had
> they been equipped with bigger engines, they'd
> most likely be the same as your Ascona's
> driveline. My pal Ernie Bello down in Florida
> vintage races a real German Kadett C, and it's
> been amazing finding out what bolts right up to it
> from North American cars (Isuzu, Chevette, other
> older Opels, etc).
>
> This same person has fitted Opel 1.9 engines into
> Chevettes and he said pretty much everything just
> bolts into place. Used a rear axle from an Isuzu
> I-Mark (same ring and pinion diameter as German
> 1.9 driveline and proper width for Chevette
> chassis), and voilà...you have a Kadett C for all
> intents and purposes.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Opel is a 4-letter word...
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jul 26, 2009 by
> Ascona73.


Chevrolet ( being different than GM) made no good 4 cylinder engines when the Chevette was made. The 2.9 V6 was less than sterling also, oil leaking, water leaking, rod knocking, carbed POS (on a good day )....seems like there were a couple V6 Chevttes that rallied back then although I never saw one out here. Chevette followed the Vega and Pinto and was Detroits contribution to Japanese domination in the import market.

Now with the Ecotek series of 4 cylinders a Chevette could be a lot of fun.

Is a chevette fwd?

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Is a chevette fwd?
>
> Feisty Peacock?
>
> My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle


Where have you been?

It's RWD.

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hudson Wrote:
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> Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> > Pete Wrote:
> >
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> >
>
> It's my understanding that the floor pan is
> exactly the same in a Chevy Chevette, a Vauxhall
> Chevette, an Opel Kadett C, a Holden Gemini etc.
>
> Opel would bolt different things to it than what
> Isuzu would etc.
>

I believe the Chevett would be a "B" Kadett

The Kadett C and the "Buick Opel" Isuzu thing were same (and whover built the so called Pontica LeMans 88 on thing, they were assembling Kadetts in Korea.
So we got German Kadett A, Chevett "B", Isuzu "Buick Opels" C; no few "D" Kadetts then "LeMans" Kadett "E".


The Group 4 things were 4 door floors with 2 door doors and B pillars.

And what's this nonsense about fucking V6s, put the moonshine down Herr von Kessler.

The ideal engine would be the Opel 2,0 XE 16v which was always a problem in USA since they came out in 88 at 150 bhp with a Kat.
But not since about 01 or 02 since GM started shoving them into so called "Saab 9 threes"
86 x86mm bore and stroke, about 85lbs less than the Opel CIH, just 45 Webers alone makes them 175bhp and the potential is limitless---well 275 at least as we saw mid 90s in BTCC, and thats 275@ mandated max 8500 rpm.

ANY talk of any other engine is just plain silly.

BUT! the point I stress is always "Do things because there is an advantage"

And the limited travel, 6" brakes and 4 inch drums, lack of shells, lack of GLASS tubbing, massive fucking around, short wheelbase---certainly no advantage on stages where WE KNUCKLEHEADS can average 65-70 mph, has no inherant competition advantages.

So come on guys we ain't talking about which cars you want to fap fap fap fap to.

But what cars we have plenty of which already come with very easy to build powerplants.

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hudson Wrote:
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> Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> > Is a chevette fwd?
> >
> > Feisty Peacock?
> >
> > My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle
>
>
> Where have you been?
>
> It's RWD.
>
> Andrew McNally
> Hamilton, ON
> 29


hahaha. yeah. my bad. I was in a hurry lol

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> I believe the Chevett would be a "B" Kadett
>

No, it is a C Kadett.

And good big vented disks are a swap out away from a "gasp" Fiero. Rear axle from an S-10 Blazer (GM 7.5 w/ available 4.88 etc. and locker). Shocks all around - no science there - Get the readily available Vauxhall Sportpart Manual on line to show you how to build the 4 link and strengthen the body.

Ah, but it is just a bench racing exercise anyway.

Randy Bailey did a pretty good job in his 2500 lb Isuzu Piazza Coupe, which used the floorpan. It is still for sale, but is a pig compared to what could be done.

Complete list of GM T-cars (rear-wheel drive)

Body styles; (1) Coupe; (2) 2-door sedan (B11); (3) 3-door hatchback (B08); (4) 4-door sedan (B69); (5) 5-door hatchback (B68) (wheelbase 5in. longer than the others); (w) 3-door wagon(B15); (t) Pickup truck (v) Sedan delivery (B70).

Argentina
GMC Chevette 4
Opel K-180 4

Australia
Holden Gemini 1, 4, w
Holden Piazza Coupé

Brazil
Chevrolet Chevette 2,3,4
Chevrolet Marajó w
Chevrolet Chevy 500 t

Canada
Pontiac Acadian 3, 5

Colombia
Chevrolet Chevette

Ecuador
Aymesa Cóndor
Chevrolet Cargo

Germany
Opel Kadett C 2,3,4,w, targa

Japan
Isuzu Bellett Gemini 1,4, w(?)
Isuzu Gemini 1,4, w?
Isuzu Piazza Coupe, totally different body styling.

Malaysia
Opel Gemini

New Zealand
Vauxhall Chevanne v

South Korea
Saehan Bird 4
Saehan Max t
Daewoo Maepsy 4
Daewoo Max t

UK
Vauxhall Chevette 2,3,4,w
Bedford Chevanne v

United States
Chevrolet Chevette 3,5 (also sold in Canada)
Buick-Opel 1,4;
Pontiac T1000 3,5
Opel-Isuzu 1,4
Isuzu Impulse See "Piazza/Impulse" above
Isuzu I-Mark 1,4

Uruguay
Grumett Color

Venezuela
Chevette
San Remo w

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hudson Wrote:
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> Dazed_Driver Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is a chevette fwd?
> >
> > Feisty Peacock?
> >
> > My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle
>
>
> Where have you been?
>
> It's RWD.
>

Give him a break, the last Chevette was made long beofre he was born.

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> The ideal engine would be the Opel 2,0 XE 16v
> which was always a problem in USA since they came
> out in 88 at 150 bhp with a Kat.
> But not since about 01 or 02 since GM started
> shoving them into so called "Saab 9 threes"
> 86 x86mm bore and stroke, about 85lbs less than
> the Opel CIH, just 45 Webers alone makes them
> 175bhp and the potential is limitless---well 275
> at least as we saw mid 90s in BTCC, and thats 275@
> mandated max 8500 rpm.
>
> ANY talk of any other engine is just plain silly.
>

Sorry John, There is no way any GM motor from the 80's can compare with the new GM Ecotec motor or LSJ as the hot rod crowd calls it. The Ecotec has all of the advantages that you love about the escort.

-It is available everywhere. GM put this motor is every small car they sell, I think you can get it RWD configured from trucks and the Solstice line.

-It make crazy power with simple mods. Hot Rod magazine just did test where with a supercharger, cams, and a header they made almost 330 hp.

-GM wrote the book on it. Technically they wrote 3 books. One which outlines how to make over 1,000+ hp out of the motor.

-Lots of options. You can get it anywhere from 1.6-2.4L of displacement. NA. Supercharged, Turbo'd. GM made it.

-A T5 bell housing is readily available.

I have no real opinion on the Chevette as a chasis other than they are just as ugly as a volvo. But this motor is so sweet I would love to see a good club level GM chassis emerge

Edit: Forgot to mention that is all aluminum so it should be super light.



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Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
>
> > The ideal engine would be the Opel 2,0 XE
> 16v
> > which was always a problem in USA since they
> came
> > out in 88 at 150 bhp with a Kat.
> >
> >
>
> Sorry John, There is no way any GM motor from the
> 80's can compare with the new GM Ecotec motor or
> LSJ as the hot rod crowd calls it. The Ecotec has
> all of the advantages that you love about the
> escort.
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jul 27, 2009 by
> Andrew_Frick.

Andrew, whaddya stink da Eco-tec IS and developed from?

Wiki:
20XE, 20XEJ, C20XE, C20LET

The naturally-aspirated 16-valve version of the 2.0 L— 1998 cc (121.9 cu in)—cast iron block engine is the successor to the OHC-engines and a predecessor to the 16-valve Ecotec-line of engines.

This lineup features the same block as the OHC based engines with an 86 mm (3.4 in) bore & stroke and a Cosworth-developed DOHC cylinder head (Cosworth Project K. The cylinder heads were manufactured by either Cosworth or, at a latter date, Kolben Schmidt. In general, the heads from this lineup are supposed to flow appreciablу better than their Ecotec successors. Power output is rated at 110 kW (150 hp) at 6000 rpm and 196 N·m at 4600 rpm (C20XE) or 156 hp (20XE).

Common features:
-1998 cc (121.9 cu in); 86 mm × 86 mm (3.4 in × 3.4 in) bore x stroke
-Cast iron block
-Aluminium head
-Aluminium oil pan with cooling fins
-Air mass flow meter
-Knock sensors
-Twin Camshafts
-8 bolt flywheel

20XE
- 157 hp (117 kW)
- 198 N·m (146 lb·ft)
-Compression ratio: 10.8-1
-Engine Management: Bosh Motronic 2.5

C20XE
- 150 bhp (112 kW; 152 PS) @ 6000 rpm
- 196 N·m (145 lb·ft) @ 4600 rpm
-Compression ratio: 10.8-1
-Catalytic converter
-Lambda sensor
-Engine Management: Bosh Motronic 2.8

C20LET
- 204 hp (152 kW) @ 5600 rpm
- 280 N·m (210 lb·ft) @ 2400 rpm
- 102 bhp/litre
-Compression ratio: 9.0-1
-Catalytic converter
-Lambda sensor
-Different camshafts
-Turbo pressure: 0.6 bars (8.7 psi) continuous with a 0.8 bars (12 psi) overboost
-Engine Management: Bosch Motronic M2.7
-The map sensor is built into the ECU.
-Turbo used in the C20LET: KKK16, integral water cooling and oil lubrication.

These engines were used in:

* Opel Kadett GSI 16v
* Opel Vectra 2000
* Opel Vectra GT 16V
* Opel Vectra Turbo
* Opel Calibra Turbo
* Opel Calibra 16V
* Opel Astra GSi 16v
* Opel Astra Irmscher caravan
* Lada 110

The turbocharged version of the C20XE, branded C20LET was also offered in the Opel/Vauxhall Calibra and Vectra Turbo. The C20LET is essentially the same as the C20XE, bar the lower compression, forged Mahle pistons turbocharger, Bosh Motronic M2.7 with MAP a sensor. There are also slight revisions to the block which provide an oil inlet/outlet for the turbocharger.

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So the Eco-tec is newer, lighter, more refined, high power out, better supported in the states derivative of the Opel motor. I will still take the Eco-tec.

Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> So the Eco-tec is newer, lighter, more refined,
> high power out, better supported in the states
> derivative of the Opel motor. I will still take
> the Eco-tec.

Well this is bench-wanking and I had hoped to keep this a bit closer to being reality based.
Me, being a Ford guy would take the Duratec cause i can---and will be helping a couple of guys---put it in a known proven good chassi,a nice RWD chassi I can get whole cars for free to $200.
>
>

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Throw a good close ratio strong box, like the Ford T5, which the upgraded kits are rated to around 600 hp behind that Duratec, and a nice Supra 8" differential mounted on a cool square beam with the upgraded halfshafts that would probably give the ability to have 12+ inches of travel in the rear and would be nearly indestructable, the cool guy big brake kit replicating a WRC brake kit, and maybe some nice pretty green shocks holding everything up and you have a pretty cool car. Replace the glass with Lexan, hatch, spoiler, and hood with carbon fiber, toss a turbo on that duratec and you have a pretty monsterous rally car!

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Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> So the Eco-tec is newer, lighter, more refined,
> high power out, better supported in the states
> derivative of the Opel motor. I will still take
> the Eco-tec.
>
>


But overall the Opel XE engine is better supported with a bigger aftermarket. It's not hard to ship parts overseas. And the earlier Cosworth heads flowed better than the GM units and did not have the porosity problems the GM units had. I should think they solved that a while back with the Eco-tec, though. Not difficult to get 275 hp out of an N/A XE motor. Just takes money. 230 hp is much easier, just some cams and some carbs or good injection and some pistons. And the engines are plentiful and cheap to come by. So it's still a very good choice.
It's a very popular engine to put in not only RWD Opels but also Mk 1&2 Escorts because the Cossie BDA's are so rare and expensive now.
Eventually this is the route I will go with the Ascona.

Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> So the Eco-tec is newer, lighter, more refined,
> high power out, better supported in the states
> derivative of

the Quad 4.

PS - the Pontiac LeMans Korean Kadette was made by Daewoo. I have only had one opportunity to work on a Daewoo - a Lanos - and it had a 16v version of the old "Pontiac" (Opel) OHC four cylinder. Interesting, that.

I still have all of the valves from when it ate a timing belt. Never saw an engine manage to crunch ALL of its valves, before.

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Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.