So.......

I thought up a punch line to add to my original post below:


Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> > Brack won the Xgames in a FIESTA.
> >
> > The subies all lost.
> >
> >
>
> What? The best and the brightest, cream of the
> crop, most awesome prestigious, top of their game,
> "Pro" rally drivers in the U.S. all got schooled
> by some roundy pounder? For shame.


See what happens when you get rid of the codrivers?

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> I think the words I have heard most is
> "Super-Stars" and "Rally Gods".
> yeah, that's it...that's the ticket.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca


Hey, no snide comments from you until you tell me how the hell you were able to watch Rally Finland stage by stage! I'm waiting....

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Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> Cosworth Wrote:
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> > Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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>
> Besides, how dare you interrupt my clever barb
> with the facts! Never mind that given that he's
> from Sweden, certainly he's been in a rally car
> before, right?

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Kenny Bräck
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Kenneth Bräck
Nationality Flag of Sweden Swedish
Date of birth March 21, 1966 (1966-03-21) (age 43)
Place of birth Arvika, Värmland
Retired 2005
Indy Racing League IndyCar Series
Years active 1997-1999, 2002-2003, 2005
Teams Galles Racing
A. J. Foyt Enterprises
Chip Ganassi Racing
Rahal Letterman Racing
Starts 47
Wins 4
Poles 0
Best finish 1st in 1998
Previous series
2000-2002
1994-1995
1993 CART World Series
Formula 3000
Barber Saab Pro Series
Championship titles
1998
1993 Indy Racing League champion
Barber Saab Pro Series champion
Awards
2005
1999 Scott Brayton award
Indianapolis 500 winner

Kenneth "Kenny" Bräck (born March 21, 1966 in Arvika, Värmland) is a race car driver from Sweden. Until his retirement from racing, he competed in the CART, Indy Racing League and the IROC series. He is the winner of the 1999 Indianapolis 500 and the 1998 driving champion of the Indy Racing League. In 2009, he competed in Rally X at X-Games 15 and won Gold.
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* 1 Early career
* 2 Formula racing
* 3 First Appearance in the IRL
* 4 CART career
* 5 IROC
* 6 Return to IRL
* 7 Retirement
* 8 Indy 500 results
* 9 References
* 10 External links

[edit] Early career

He grew up in the little village Glava, where his father taught him to drive cars on the lake-ice in the winters. A neighbor introduced Kenny to racing when he at 13 years of age worked in his business one summer holiday, buying him a Go-Cart. Apart from the beginning of Kenny's career, he has managed his career himself, from finding sponsors, negotiating contracts to winning races.

Glave, in Värmland, just a couple of km from Arvika, home of local hero World rally Championship driver Per Eklund who when Kenny was 10 was the last man to win a WRC round in a Saab 96.
Hereäs the link to Google maps, this is right in the middle of the hottest rally country and where the Swedish Rally has been held since it went to a winter format
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=59.55,12.55&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h&q=59.55,12.55

It's a safe bet that he had more kms on gravel/snow/ice before he was 19 then the Rally Gods of America have today.

Not a lot of asphalt there today, way less 30-40 years ago.


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eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
>
> > I think the words I have heard most is
> > "Super-Stars" and "Rally Gods".
> > yeah, that's it...that's the ticket.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
>
> Hey, no snide comments from you until you tell me
> how the hell you were able to watch Rally Finland
> stage by stage! I'm waiting....
>
> -Dave


Czech site for live stage by stage results, Finnish MTV-3, and various people posting up things on Youtube.

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is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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>
> Czech site for live stage by stage results,
> Finnish MTV-3, and various people posting up
> things on Youtube.
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca



Ah, sneaky. Well played.

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eyesoreracing Wrote:

> Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Any idea what
> size restrictor they have to run there?

I believe Division 1 Rallycross cars still run a 45 mm restrictor. I guess they're up to about 565-575 hp these days with this size (per my tuner friend in Sweden).

Bob

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Opel is a 4-letter word...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10498579@N07/sets/

The Fiestas did look to be up to the task! Nice to see a litlle competition.

But, winning rally x-games is a crap-shoot with the two car matchups and elimination. Do they really post times? Travis certainly made the final without actually beating a running car.

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tedm Wrote:
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> The Fiestas did look to be up to the task! Nice
> to see a litlle competition.
>
> But, winning rally x-games is a crap-shoot with
> the two car matchups and elimination. Do they
> really post times? Travis certainly made the
> final without actually beating a running car.
>
>
>

I agree, screw this one on one eliminations BS. What is this, Monster Truck Jam? Send all the cars out at the same time, full on wheel to wheel racing! Should make for excitement with everyone jockeying for position before the gap jump!

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> Didn't say oval driver, said roundy pounder. Road
> courses are still driving around in circles. And
> before you get too uptight I've worked in pro and
> club racing (ALMS, SCCA World Challenge, etc) the
> past few years.
>
> Besides, how dare you interrupt my clever barb
> with the facts! Never mind that given that he's
> from Sweden, certainly he's been in a rally car
> before, right?
>

Wow wow easy there cup cake... no need to spill out your resume on the intrawez but not that you started, tell me what did you do in ALMS and with who?

This was on the other thread in the other forum.

"Xgames is a lottery, congrats to Ford for the win, they really brought some trick prototypes to the event this year and SRTUSA drivers almost got them at the end...with basically production based chassis/drivetrains.."

Doesnt this not sound like self pitty?

When ken hit that barrier his rear wheel was all messed up. He probably was in a 3 wheel drive at that point with a slight crab walk. He realized he didn't have the speed to clear the jump and he bypassed it.

I don't blame him for that, he could have nose dove into the jump. But that would make for good TV... right? On the other hand he still beat Deegan's broken car with his broken car.

The announcers didn't know what they were talking about because they said Ken GAINED time skipping the jump and that's why he won the race and was DQ'd. It seems a bit slower to go around a jump and run over a bunch of stuff rather than go flying through the air (granted you can't accelerate in the air).

He was getting frustrated and furious (tried to play off fast and furious but didn't work out) the fact that his car was broken and the guys couldn't fix it in the commercial break. He didn't look too happy at all. It almost looked like he was crying in the car at one point.

Then again I would have probably dropped some F-bombs too that the jump that "looks good for TV" actually made the racing boring and "not so good for TV" since it seems a lot of cars broke because of it.

Cosworth Wrote:
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> This was on the other thread in the other forum.
>
> "Xgames is a lottery, congrats to Ford for the
> win, they really brought some trick prototypes to
> the event this year and SRTUSA drivers almost got
> them at the end...with basically production based
> chassis/drivetrains.."
>
> Doesnt this not sound like self pitty?


Sounds like sore losing. That was Alex talking so it's highly biased to the Subarus. What he really meant to say was...

No margin for error at this X-Games. Congrats to Ford for the win, goes to show when you spend more money than your competitor you have a speed advantage! We run a production chassis with stronger 5 speed dog boxes thrown into a 6 speed case, and a weekend budget that's a whole teams year spendings, but who's counting?

If Ken didn't clock that wall it would have been him and Travis to fight for the final spot. I could have seen Ken beat Travis so your final would have been Brack vs Ken which would have been interesting.

BillyElliot Wrote:
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> Cosworth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This was on the other thread in the other
> forum.
> >
> > "Xgames is a lottery, congrats to Ford for
> the
> > win, they really brought some trick
> prototypes to
> > the event this year and SRTUSA drivers almost
> got
> > them at the end...with basically production
> based
> > chassis/drivetrains.."
> >
> > Doesnt this not sound like self pitty?
>
>
> Sounds like sore losing. That was Alex talking so
> it's highly biased to the Subarus. What he really
> meant to say was...
>
> No margin for error at this X-Games. Congrats to
> Ford for the win, goes to show when you spend more
> money than your competitor you have a speed
> advantage! We run a production chassis with
> stronger 5 speed dog boxes thrown into a 6 speed
> case, and a weekend budget that's a whole teams
> year spendings, but who's counting?
>
> If Ken didn't clock that wall it would have been
> him and Travis to fight for the final spot. I
> could have seen Ken beat Travis so your final
> would have been Brack vs Ken which would have been
> interesting.

When they're the ones used to have the equipment superiority and then someone comes out with something better and eats their lunch on their turf they bring out the "we had a lesser machine" excusse. When in fact I never heard the humble sayings of something like "we won because we had a better car" coming from them. Or even better, "we got beat by a driver who hasnt raced since 2005".