Interesting quote from another rally site

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It's good that there are enough of us in the sport to be able to have our own (different) view points on the sport. This adds some variety and colour to the whole rally scene. Don't be one of these people who can't accept different opinions as being just as valid as your own."


Just thought I'd share.

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> "
> It's good that there are enough of us in the sport
> to be able to have our own (different) view points
> on the sport. This adds some variety and colour to
> the whole rally scene. Don't be one of these
> people who can't accept different opinions as
> being just as valid as your own."
>
>
> Just thought I'd share.
>
> Feisty Peacock?
>
> My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle


Silly children, commonly know as "the underdeprived" often labor under the misconception that all opinions are equally valid.

That is incredibly stupid and flies in the face of 6,000 years of human civilisation---about the time that there has been specialisation.

Of course you would never understand this.

So rather than argue with you, I'll agree

ALL OPINIONS ARE ALL EXACTLY EQUAL AND EQUALLY VALID.

Thus we conclude that prior experience means nothing.

Opinions, however arrived at, all all valid.

By the way don't bother wasting people's time studying medicine, your current opinion on curing everything is valid.
Jusat hang a sign out and start raking in the big money now.

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Dude - once again you show a complete lack of comprehension

The position is simply that opinions that are different from your own MAY also be valid. People with different perspectives may come to different, but equally valid, conclusions from time to time.
Nowhere in the quoted text does it suggest that all opinions are valid ...

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Morison Wrote:
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> Dude - once again you show a complete lack of
> comprehension
>
> The position is simply that opinions that are
> different from your own MAY also be valid. People
> with different perspectives may come to different,
> but equally valid, conclusions from time to time.
>
> Nowhere in the quoted text does it suggest that
> all opinions are valid ...


Morison, I comprehend just fine, and indeed I think I understand the nuances of language and what words say and also IMPLY far better than you.
You, not the words added the MAY, and little Timmy's intent was not to imply that opinions MAY be valid.
That I agree 100% with. Everybody has a right to an opinion and everybody's opinion MAY be right.

But that is not what was written and it is an atrocious twisting of language to claim that is what is inferred from what is written.

Let me help you with rudimentary reading.

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Don't be one of these people who can't accept different opinions as being just as valid as your own."

The PIVOTAL word is of course "valid".
What is meant by "valid"?

Let's see what is generally meant:
English

* well grounded in logic or truth or having legal force; "a valid inference"; "a valid argument"; "a valid contract"
* still legally acceptable; "the license is still valid"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* The term Validity in logic applies to arguments or statements.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valid

* Well grounded or justifiable, pertinent; Acceptable, proper or correct; Related to the current topic, or presented within context, relevant; A formula or system that evaluates to true regardless of the input values
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/valid

# A property of arguments in which the conclusion necessarily follows from the premises; an argument is valid if the form of the conclusion is true every time the forms of the premises are true. (Intro; Study 3)
www.logic-classroom.info/glossary.htm

# Factual information. Representations made by a realtor to a prospective purchaser fall into this category.
www.yourwebassistant.net/glossary/v1.htm

French since you're Canajian:
es Ce terme signifie que les résultats de l'observation et de l'expérimentation concordent avec les faits réels et permettent d' ...
www.agora.crosemont.qc.ca/dtres/lexique.htm

Sometimes we can look at a Thesaurus to get a sense of nuance or usage:
Main Entry: valid
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: right, genuine
Synonyms:
accurate, attested, authentic, authoritative, binding, bona fide, cogent, compelling, conclusive, confirmed, convincing, credible, determinative, efficacious, efficient, good, in force, irrefutable, just, kosher*, lawful, legal, legit, legitimate, logical, official, original, persuasive, potent, powerful, proven, pure, solid, sound, stringent, strong, substantial, telling, tested, true, trustworthy, ultimate, unadulterated, unanswerable, uncorrupted, weighty, well-founded, well-grounded

And of course those of us who care for language and words might like to look up the etymology of a word to see from where it came, it's original meaning and how, or if, the meaning(s) have morphed over time as so many words misused do eventually so:
valid Look up valid at Dictionary.com
1571, "having force in law, legally binding," from M.Fr. valide, from L. validus "strong, effective," from valere "be strong" (see valiant). The meaning "supported by facts or authority" is first recorded 1648. Validate (v.) is recorded from 1648.


So we see pretty clearly that the suggestion that everybody's opinion is "just as valid as yours' is an aburd statement and arguing those words could mean something else is even more absurd.

And of course your reading being clouded by your irrational hate missed where I said I will agree with him..

In other words, as nearly always, you're eagerness to attack me is overblown and stupid.

Don't you have something better to do like fucking a cow or whatever you do up there to amuse yourself?

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I put up a quote that can mean all sorts of things rally related, FWD vs RWD, 2wd vs AWD, Recce vs No recce, coffee vs tea in the morning......


And this is what I get.



.......and a stab at me.









wow.

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John,
Wow.

An incredible effort at wasting everyone's time defining a word that was not even remotely in dispute.

Instead of racing full speed ahead down the wrong path ... take a look at the original (albeit out of context 'cause I haven't found or care to find the original thread) quote.

"Don't be one of these people who can't accept different opinions as being just as valid as your own."

It doesn't say that every opinion is as valid as your own, but rather that there are other opinions that are as valid as your own.

Your argument is hinged on the original quote says that any and all opinions should be considered valid ... and I don't think anyone would argue for that and I don't think most people would read that into the quote.

But... that's just one opinion.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/14/2009 12:54AM by Morison.

...goes out to woodshed to cut a switch.

Fuck off, all of you!

Timmy, you read that story last week about the dude who waited til after dark, hopped two fences and got his arms chewed off when he went to pet the tiger at the zoo? You're the internet equivalent little buddy.

Your quote was tailor made to stab John in the eye -- he being the opinionated and recalcitrant sage here on Rally Anarchy.

And John, why are you rising to the bait? He's just being Timm, he can't help it, I don't know if his parents dropped him on his head one too many times, or if he's a closet republican or if he plays with his poo in the bath, but he's broken, and you're old enough to understand that, perhaps even chip in for the new helmet he needs to go outside to play.

Keith, since Timmy got eaten by a tiger in your adopted hometown, and I happen to know you're far more mature and intelligent than he is -- illustrated by the fact that you still have functional arms -- all I can say is, I am very disappointed in you...

Seriously, the rest of us "get" that you all don't care for each other that much -- it's beyond boring, can we get off your silly man crushes and back on to rally discussions?

t

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again,

not a stab at John. I don't swing at john, unless he swings at me. I have much better things to do.

Ted, I've never met you, and that means your in less of place to judge me then John-- who has met me, but apparently thinks he knows me.



So, you all can keep with your crazy theories that I'm really trying to poke at John- which really, doesn't take much from me apparently...., so why would a get a quote off another site, OR you could accept that fact that I put a quote up, someone took it wrong, and then someone flamed the other guy for taking it wrong.

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Timmmmmmmm.
If you really think you weren't aiming this thread directly at John, you're not very self aware.

Ted:
The reality is that I don't hate John. I don't know John, other than by reputation, so I can't really 'hate' him yet.

What I don't like is how his online persona (since I understand he's quite different in real life) is compelled to be a bully and resorts to insults, crude language and sheer volume of response to stifle any one or anything he doesn't like.

Sometimes I think posting in here is a bit like dangling babies in front of a doberman.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

<sigh>....Ted beat me to it.


and I do subscribe to the 'JVL' is misunderstood [on the interenet] belief. unless you've actaully met someone in person (or talked on the phone with them for an inordinate amount of time), being sarcastic on the internet usually doesn't come out right, and well, John is the most sarcastic person I've ever seen....to EVERYone, on the internet. Once you figure out his writing style, its quite hilarious actually.

like when I posted about not having a dual fuel pump setup...he ripped into me a little bit, no biggie, that's his way, get over it (or get a dual pump setup!). But I could see how someone might take it the wrong way though.


but Tim...man....you just keep eggin' him on. ANYone on here could have predicted (well, we DID predict, and we were 100% right) who would be the 1st to respond to your post, and what that post would look like.

I was hoping John wouldn't bite, but John is John and he did what John was going to do. Then Keith put his .02 in and I was all excited to see what kind of 3-page response we'd get from John. and hey....it happened! what a shocker! (<---sarcasm, lol)

point is....you poked the bear. If you didn't mean to poke the bear, then don't walk around the bear cave blindfolked with your poking stick. :p

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> >
> I put up a quote that can mean all sorts of things
> rally related, FWD vs RWD, 2wd vs AWD, Recce vs No
> recce, coffee vs tea in the morning......
>
>
> And this is what I get.
>
>
>
> .......and a stab at me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> wow.
>

Timm, what did you expect? When I read your original post I recognized it for what it was: an obvious troll of JV. And guess what? He bit!

What Ted said!

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Robert.

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Fine, take it as you want. There are at least 8 million other ways I could egg John on a lot easier, especially being who I am. There are a lot of current issues in rally that are being discussed lately, just really not on this board. I felt the quote worked really well for it, so I put it up. Apparently, the lack of being able to realize the internet doesn't revolve around a ridiculous E fight between John and I is much stronger then the ability to take a quote and relate it to current events.

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Timm, on second reading you'll note that I used absurd hyperbole for dramatic effect -- I perhaps could have used smiley faces or other emoticons to soften the blow to be kinder but, to be frank, I think being kind would in fact be doing you a disservice.

To give Keith his due...


Morison Wrote:
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> Timmmmmmmm.
> If you really think you weren't aiming this thread
> directly at John, you're not very self aware.

I heartily agree with Keith, in fact I would say that you display a biblical lack of self awareness.

If you go back through the threads where you and John clash, you will find a common thread if you choose to see it.

And, though I could not even begin to judge you on a personal level, I am quite capable of pointing out the folly of your actions.



Morison also Wrote:
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> Ted:
> The reality is that I don't hate John.

(For the sake of honesty and disclosure, I have to note that Keith and I have been good friends for well over a decade. Luckily for us friendship can thrive even in the face of sustained disagreement.)

Keith, I didn't actually accuse you of "hatred", I said you "don't care for each other that much" which in my mind is more akin to dislike or perhaps even disdain.

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For the record, I quite like John, he's great to talk to on the phone, tremendously helpful and encouraging.

Keith and I are pals, in spite of our widely divergent opinions.

I admire Timm's enthusiasm, I'm eagerly following his Toyota build and I wish him well.

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I think it would be "healthy" if the three of you took a break from each other.


Cheers, Ted

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