Vid from Dutch sprint

Pete Wrote:
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> Ah, now we're getting into car setup!
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> I'd also think that rally tarmac tires are a lot
> more forgiving than circuit racing tires given the
> different nature of what's expected of them.
> Circuit racing tires tend to have rather sharp
> traction curves since the idea is to NOT slide the
> car at all, and the drivers have a vested interest
> in not scrubbing the tires any more than
> absolutely necessary.
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> Pete Remner
> Cleveland, Ohio
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> 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
> 1978

Ah! Thank you! The tires were kind of what I was thinking, but I didn't really know how to phrase it. I know circuit tires are very unforgiving when you spin, but I've never seen/used/really talked about tarmac rally tires. If they're more progressive then they're probably not bad at all to slide around at higher speeds.

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

Such an event is organizable.

Here's my question: would you pay $500 for a mega-autocross?

Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Anders Green Wrote:
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> Such an event is organizable.
>
> Here's my question: would you pay $500 for a
> mega-autocross?

Do you think that's roughly what it would cost?

It would be a lot easier, while still not easy to be able to charge admission, no?

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Andrew M
Onterrible
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The video in question has barriers, drums, and fencing, more physical infrastructure than a forest rally. It may save on some other minor areas... but the issue of repairing damaged structures/landscaping and replacing barriers and drums is a real one in such a set up. So I would expect it to need to be priced similarly to a rally, yes.

We already have thousands of people in this country looking for places to race limited access "courses" on pavement. They are very efficient and frugal, and have managed to build a large following of like-minded racers. They regularly attract fields of 100 cars to an event.

They call themselves autocrossers.

So if you're interested in the absolute cheapest racing, talk to those guys, they've already looked at everything. They know what you can do for a $40 price, and if you want a $150 price, you get a track day.

So because events like the video does not already exist, and because we know autocrossers would be putting them on if they could, I conclude (and others may conclude differently) that the price point would be far higher... somewhere in the level of rally entries.

Charging admission... eh, maybe. There looked to be maybe 200-300 people watching in that video, half of which would be crew. So 150 people paying $10 gets you about 10% of your budget... the rest still comes from competitors.

Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

You can find a variety of clubs that host time trials, and NASA MidAtlantic runs the occasional "Circuitcross" under their autocross program -- the latter just Solo 1 (on VIR's very short course) to their usual parking-lot Solo 2.

And -- of course -- there's hillclimbs, too.

Not quite the same, but still more interesting (to me, at least) than trackdays and autocrosses...

hudson Wrote:
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> I guess I'm more stoked about the possibility of a
> LOCAL SPRINT kind of event... but I don't have my ear
> close to the ground either.
http://www.rallysport.on.ca/index.php?fuseaction=site.details&id=356
That's teh 2009 event schedule for Onterrible, but I think they've set dates for next year already. Look for a new sked fairly soon.

http://www.rallysport.on.ca/index.php?fuseaction=site.details&id=356
Here is their gravel test day information ... drive till you're dizzy kind of day, great for learning and testing things in the real world!

Get involved with your 'local' club (Kitchener probably) and see what you can help make happen!

> Having more than one active prepared car is simply
> not in the cards for me. Unless I had a setup
> that could be changed back and forth reasonably
> quickly and easily AND wasn't a massive
> compromise...

Multi-tasking anything is about finding the right compromise. Like I said, this guy used one shell for several years before getting the second car, he would just swap struts, remove door glass, co-driver's seat, skid plate, undersheeting, and so on. If you build the car with this in mind, it doesn't have to be a pain.
One tight turnaround, he road raced it in full rally trim, skidplate and all... still had fun and didn't throw that much time away either.

> I mostly agree with you.. I however see the
> potential for massive damage a lot higher on
> gravel if there is something for your inertia to
> sink into.

Certainly the 'sandblasting' that goes along with a gravel stage is going to hurt the car but is easily minimised with well thought out undersheeting. Crash damage is neither here nor there ... in an industrial park you can bend control arms smacking curbs, and buildings have considerably less give than trees do,

> I wasn't trying to be snippy.. just saying that a
> local sprint event that I could take my prepped
> "general fun" car to would be fairly close to the
> ultimate thing in what I think I would be looking
> for, had I the time and money.

I organize four test days a year and they all have around ten cars show up and run until they are done. $200/car gets it done easily and it builds a fund to offset stage event losses. If you can find the right location to do it in i am sure you would get enough interest in it from the region.

> Note the safety gear.
Again, as others have said, this looks much more like a 'track day' or SoloSprint event. I wouldn't run that course without a Head and Neck device if you paid me.

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I don't know any autocross organizers that would put on an event with that much risk. They are some of the most safety minded people I have met. We run on an old airport, and they slow down corners that are within 30 ft of a small ditch . There was Subaru in that video that jumped the curb, drove around the outside of a pole, to make the corner faster. And, it appears to be wheel to wheel. That would never happen here on a low cost local level.

Rally appeals to me for many reasons, One being the car does not need to be built to 99.9% of its potential to be competitive. In road racing, it seems it does, unless you want to go out and run in the back.

Epic vid. Loved it. Jaw dropped on that GT3 pass.

We used to do an autocross up in Blaine, WA around an industrial park--a 'street solo' it was called.

Much shorter than these sprints, but similar in concept.

There used to be an event called The Tillamook Grand Prix in ,oddly enough, Tillamook Oregon. It was a massive AutoX held at the old airport on the runways. I raced Kathy Moore's 1.5 Rally Civic and saw speeds of near 90 mph on course. Managed to beat a couple V8 Corvettes. There was huge room on course and the corners were incredible. They only had one chicane coming into the finish.