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hudson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > If this sort of thing was going on, I'd make it happen in 5. Out of curiosity, what do you see as the biggest difference between the two, (or, why would you try so much harder to make this happen over gravel forest rallies) I am really curious about what you see as the barrier to rally. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Morison Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > hudson Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If this sort of thing was going on, I'd make > it happen in 5. > > Out of curiosity, what do you see as the biggest > difference between the two, (or, why would you try > so much harder to make this happen over gravel > forest rallies) > > I am really curious about what you see as the > barrier to rally. > > Nobody asked me, but I'll pipe up! 1) My current "job" is to take care of the kids and do the books/pay the bills for my wife's business...limits my discretionary income (although I blow it all on chainsaws, my street car and snowmobile). Guess I should have paid attention more in school and majored in something other than journalism and minored in something other than photography/art. Getting a mainstream corporate job would have helped, too. Oops. 2) Nearly $2,000 in safety gear to sit your ass in a rally car. HANS $700, Suit $500, Helmet $500. You know the next thing is going to be requiring and dating the $1,000 seats...yeah, you can do it cheaper right now, will you be doing it twice come 2011? 3) What I thought I could build for $5,000 will really cost $15,000. Maybe $10,000 if I cut a lot of corners. 4) Entry costs in US. Seems Canadian Nationals have the same entry as US regionals. WTF? Some events like New England Forest have done the super cheap early entry, which is good for getting some fence sitters on the other side. 5) Towing/travel. It's a big country, and making the rest of the rally experience for your family/service crew nice enough so they'd like to come back costs $$$. I was probably spoiled by my service crew experiences! 6) It's much easier to bitch and moan on interweb forums than to actually accomplish something.  I guess I'm just not crazy enough to take the plunge without having a suitcase of cash to raid, so for now I'll just put some Vermont Sportscar stickers on my sled and go to Sno*Drift.
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hudson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The difference is: > > I can see this happening within a few hours drive of anywhere. But with some hunting and effort, so could a good gravel rally-sprint if it had the competitor support. (There was a tarmac rally event at Shannonville earlier this year by the way) > I can see a car that's good for a tarmac rally sprint event, also being good at many other kinds of events with little to no changes. Good point but the guy that bought my RX7 went for several years converting the car back and forth from rally spec to road race spec as needed. He loved doing double duty with the car but did eventually get his hands on a dedicated race shell which would serve as a 'back-up' rally shell (and vice-versa.) I'll point out that he isn't made of money either and the builds are both 'econo' type builds but he still manages to have more fun than you can imagine in them. > I see way less cost over all.. less to no towing, at worst equal tire wear?, less gas, less chance of wrecking the car, less time to do.. I guess it all depends on how you want to approach your rally. I started by driving to and from the events in the rally car and know several teams locally that still do that and don't even own a service rig. When you consider the car would almost certainly be the same build in terms of safety equipment and you'd almost certainly be required to have the same personal safety gear,.. I think the costs will be closer than you think. Beyond that - I think the damage potential is different but not 'less,' but that would really depend on the venue itself. > What more do you want? I was merely curious of your perspective on it - thanks. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Morison Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > But with some hunting and effort, so could a good > gravel rally-sprint if it had the competitor > support. (There was a tarmac rally event at > Shannonville earlier this year by the way) I guess I'm more stoked about the possibility of a LOCAL SPRINT kind of event. Something that was no more than a couple hours drive away and could be done and over with in a day. I had no idea about the Shannonville event.. but I don't have my ear close to the ground either. > Good point but the guy that bought my RX7 went for > several years converting the car back and forth > from rally spec to road race spec as needed. He > loved doing double duty with the car but did > eventually get his hands on a dedicated race shell > which would serve as a 'back-up' rally shell (and > vice-versa.) I'll point out that he isn't made of > money either and the builds are both 'econo' type > builds but he still manages to have more fun than > you can imagine in them. Having more than one active prepared car is simply not in the cards for me. Unless I had a setup that could be changed back and forth reasonably quickly and easily AND wasn't a massive compromise.. I don't see that being likely. > I guess it all depends on how you want to approach > your rally. I started by driving to and from the > events in the rally car and know several teams > locally that still do that and don't even own a > service rig. > > When you consider the car would almost certainly > be the same build in terms of safety equipment and > you'd almost certainly be required to have the > same personal safety gear,.. I think the costs > will be closer than you think. > > Beyond that - I think the damage potential is > different but not 'less,' but that would really > depend on the venue itself. I mostly agree with you.. I however see the potential for massive damage a lot higher on gravel if there is something for your inertia to sink into. Don't forget under body protection and cleaning the damn car afterwards 
> > What more do you want? > > I was merely curious of your perspective on it - > thanks. I wasn't trying to be snippy.. just saying that a local sprint event that I could take my prepped "general fun" car to would be fairly close to the ultimate thing in what I think I would be looking for, had I the time and money. I see something like this as potentially quite fun, low cost, and low risk: Note the safety gear. Andrew M Onterrible 30ish |
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Ah, now we're getting into car setup!
I'd also think that rally tarmac tires are a lot more forgiving than circuit racing tires given the different nature of what's expected of them. Circuit racing tires tend to have rather sharp traction curves since the idea is to NOT slide the car at all, and the drivers have a vested interest in not scrubbing the tires any more than absolutely necessary. Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. |
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