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What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?

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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 02:52PM
derek Wrote:
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> OK that is all I can say today - had a new ACL put
> in my knee a few hrs ago and the drugs are staring
> to kick in - I go sleep now.
>

Have fun with that I have had an ACL replacement as well. Good luck with the rehab.
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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 02:57PM
derek Wrote:
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> Every person should figure out the buy build
> choice for themselves. I have done both and will
> likely do both again. There is no rule written in
> stone - the opportunity and circumstances are
> different each and every time.
>
> I bought my first rally car to drive on the street
> with no plan to rally it at all, it was just a fun
> GTX street car - with a cage and stuff. I bought
> my next rally car because it was cheap - very
> cheap and I wanted to drive a rally that was
> coming up in 4 weeks. I gave that car away when I
> was done with it - it was basically a rental fee.
> I built my next car because I had gathered up a
> lot of good parts and knew where more good parts
> were, so I had this big pile of very nice bits
> laying around so it made since to put them into a
> car.
>
> Right now I see the best value for what I like to
> do in rally would be to buy Carl Jardivalls old
> Volvo, not because I lack skills or time to build
> but because it is the best value by far for a RWD
> Gp5 car, it has all the good bits that would cost
> me 3 time as much to buy and put into a fresh
> build. Even if I put them all into a new shell
> build from scratch it would still be the way to
> go, we all are buyers at some level just sometimes
> it is a full turn key car other times it is a full
> gearbox or motor that are ready to bolt in.
>
> OK that is all I can say today - had a new ACL put
> in my knee a few hrs ago and the drugs are staring
> to kick in - I go sleep now.
>
>
>
>
> See me go at:
> www.11tenths.com
> In the long run Reality always wins.

Hey! Who let you bring sense into this discussion! haha




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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 02:59PM
Oh bullshit Derek, you bought that GTX in a fit of madness after you drove mine, and you planned on rallying it from the gitgo even more than I did....so buy the schoolbus and be done with it!
Once it's all healed up, this knee work'll be worth it...





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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 03:09PM
"In your creepy avatar picture you don't look a day over 19 dude."

Grant, I'm 51. I can chose a picture of a much youger and hipper DC-Shoe fan. You nailed the creepy part. Pictures of me break the interweb.




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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 03:17PM
12xalt Wrote:
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> SEANT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Was a good thread until the pissing matches
> > started, KNOCK IT OFF !
> >
> > As always IMHO
> >
> > SEAN TENNIS
> > SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
> > SAAB 99, SAAB 850
>
>
> yup
>
> until then I had actually been reading everything,
> then I had to start skimming, then skipping *sigh*
>
>


Whenever I see :

-john vanlandingham
-Morison
-john vanlandingham
-Morison
-john vanlandingham
-etc....


or:

-Dazed Driver
-john vanlandingham
-Dazed Driver
-john vanlandingham
-Dazed Driver
-john vanlandingham
- etc....

I just skip those posts, it makes the world seem like a nicer place.
Ok, I'll be honest. I read them but I slow down to look at car wrecks on the freeway, too.
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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 03:28PM
I did.

Then I broke it.

Then I got smarter than my skill set would allow for.

Then the help that promised to be there never showed up.

Then I upped my skill set, but didn't have the tools.

Then I borrowed a few, bought a few and still haven't bought the ones i don't know I need.

Then I met a guy that likes to build cars properly, saw his work, and had to go back and redo a bunch of what I had done in ignorance.

Then life reared its ugly head and slowed progress for a while.

Ignorance is truly bliss - and that's why we call ourselves BlissRally.com

Sumtin like dat
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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 03:29PM
tedm Wrote:
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> "In your creepy avatar picture you don't look a
> day over 19 dude."
>
> Grant, I'm 51. I can chose a picture of a much
> youger and hipper DC-Shoe fan. You nailed the
> creepy part. Pictures of me break the interweb.
>
>
> Ted Mendham
> www.rensport.net


LOL, I thought that was the case. Well, not the 51 part. I figured you were something like 40 or so.



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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 03:47PM
tedm Wrote:
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> Grant, I'm 51. I can chose a picture of a much
> youger and hipper DC-Shoe fan. You nailed the
> creepy part. Pictures of me break the interweb.

I know the picture wasn't actually of you Ted. That doesn't make it less creepy though. I'd probably rally more if I wasn't so busy drinking and bowling and banging.





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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 04:20PM
If a proper (well built, competitive) car is necessary, and I am not sure about that, I say 97% of us are doomed to keep surfing the web. How many of us are rich enough to buy such a thing or talented enough to build ,maintain and run such a beast for any length of time. Pat Richard deserves are top car, I don't. I am going to get my ass kicked, even if I outspend Pat. Most of us are.

Someone starting out can have a hell of an adventure in a cheap POS. And any cheap, used rally tractor is a huge steaming POS! Everyone stuffs sooner or later. Why wad up an expensive car, when you can do it on the cheap. Tell the sweep guys to leave it be and that you think that it might be stolen. Only the guy who is sure he is going to be the next champion needs top equipment. There are many "competitors" (participants is probably a better term) starting most rallys, but only one winner. All the others (losers, myself included), may as well have a good excuse for not winning.

If you want a a professionally built car, call up Lance, Tell him you saw Dave Mirra on tv, wanna rally and that yer gonna kick some x-treme asses on National TV. And nothing less than the Rally America X-treme Rally-X big show series will do. He'll more or less tell you to mail him a check for a million dollars. He'll make sure that the check clears and his people will call you back.

Maybe that is the big obstacle, we aren't properly funded. I know I'm not. And, it's not just the car. Tires, fuel, entry fees, beer, lodging, safety equipment, marketing agencies and legal representation cost money, too.

I still buy the odd lottery ticket. Something else to piss away my $! I still dream about rallying again, in Canada.







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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 05:36PM
its all about whatever floats your boat...buy, build....doggy style, on top....dirty sanchez....coke/pepsi, whips, chips, chains, dips.


do I need a 270wtq awd Subaru? fuck no....but its what I WANTED. call me spoiled, call me rich (you'd be wrong, but whatever...u can suck it)....but I did it MY way and that's that, and I'm a happy little shit bombing around the stages right now.


personally I think I did this a lot cheaper than most when you think of building an Open class subaru....part of the benefit of this car starting out on the street and planning this out for the past 2 years is I've had a lot of time to shop around (and spread out those costs)....so things like suspension, upgraded lat links, good (all black) rally rims, roll cage, etc....I could take my time, shop around, find partial sponsorships on stuff or great deals on ebay or buy barely used stuff off street ricers on NASIOC, etc, etc, etc. I don't think I"ve ever paid retail on anything except when I was building the engine last last year....I think I paid retail on my pistons and valves. Heads/cams were used from Barrett Dash...block was mine...yeah, just the supertech stuff.

shit, I just got a fucking Peltor FMT 200 intercom off ebay, brand new, for $231 shipped...you know, the uber expensive one? some random electronics ebay store had it...I've been trolling on ebay for a peltor intercom almost daily for the past year cause I knew I'd need one. Been borrowing Hoche's FMT110 for the past 2 events and I need to give it back to him ASAP (I hate being that guy that mooches shit forever). The FMT 110 goes for $210 new, btw. How's THAT for bargain shopping?

NOW...if someone that doesn't know me looks in my car and see's an $850 intercom system and is like, WTF does this rookie need with THAT thing? well....now you know....I DON'T need it...hell, I didn't even want it...its just that I'm the fucking BOMB at finding good deals on ebay. (hey, at least I didn't use the word 'hella')


Lets see...besides engine work (highly discounted, part of sponsorship) and cage work (again, highly discounted 'friend' discount) I haven't paid for any labor done on this car....all my own (including my own mistakes) and so no one buy myself if anything fails on stage...and if it does fail, I know how to fix it. bam, done.



My next car? will most likely be aother subaru, but I'll buy it....I know I'll wreck this one sometime...I'll salvage what I can and either buy a shell and start over, or find something cheap w/a cage and start swapping shit out (which is what I'd prefer to do)....my 2nd car will be better than my current car not because I need to, but just from the learning curve alone. And I guarantee it'll be cheaper too.

BTW...if my next car isn't a Subaru....I SOOOO want to build a classic rally porsche :-> old skoool



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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 05:41PM
oh, and Dave Clark....stop all your internet rubber-necking....its making my computer slow down so cut that shit out. someone got their feelings hurt in the interweb and you're not helping!



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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 05:58PM
If I win lotto I will have a totally cool stable of 3 or 4 non-Subaru rally cars. I might build an Open Light car just for fun.
I actually find the build process alot of fun, when you're doing it with friends. Part of my problem. I have a stripped down Merkur that needs shell prep finished and reassembled, a gutted Starlet that I want to cage and alread have enough steel and tools to do so, and I find myself looking at E36 BMWs on craigslist pretty damn frequently. I really want to power the Starlet with a Hayabusa engine, just for the fun of doing so.



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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 05:59PM
Part of the reason we don't have time is that we spend too much time on the net tongue sticking out smiley

There's a progression here that has several dimensions.

I came into this sport stupid - and the more I learn, the further I know i need to go.

Some of you guys cut your teeth doing this shit - to me you're geniuses, creative, resourcful - and lets face it, if you're not bank rolled you're working on your own car. I'm a driver that has been forced to know something about mechanics 'cause I ain't got the cash to have someone else be the mechanic/builder/fabricator.

So who should buy a car? who should build a car? who should sell their car? Who gives a shit! You're gonna need to do what your dimensional place in the sport/life leads you to.

I can tell you that when I bought my first rally car, 1987 Audi 4k NA (Open class because the battery was moved, it had holes in the hood and rear window were plexi) - it was about how much $ could I spend and how fast could I get on stage?

If I had started building a car at that point, I would have spent 10times as much as necessary and would have built a really bad car smiling smiley

I sold it because I was ready for the next level. I built the next car with A LOT of help from my young Navie who was a mechanically inclined dude and had been around rally for quite some time.

I've now been exposed to people that really know how to build shit - I love the art, the clean reliable results - often on a lower budget.

I can see myself now, after 9yrs of rallying, building my own car and knowing what needs to go into the car and what doesn't. But even then, there will be discovery, prototyping, mistakes and successes.

Even the choice of what sled you're going to use? Times have changed - the sport has changed - goals have changed...oh wait, no they really haven't...I'm still looking for good competition without a massive price tag...and yes I believe that the JVL propaganda is indeed what would fit the bill. A whole bunch of grass root yahoo's with their RWD nasty rides throwing dirt all over 25mile stages and then drinking lots of beer at the end of telling long tall tales.

My point is that there are not absolute answers to this question, the dimensions are many, the cost will remain high, the sport will continue to change, we each progress based on our past experiences and our future goals, where our level of maturity allows us to see or ignore the wisdom of others...me, for now, I'll press on regardless - get off the internet and go build my fawkin car just to see how fast it'll go in the woods without spinning into the weeds...
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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 06:08PM
NoCoast Wrote:
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> If I win lotto I will have a totally cool stable
> of 3 or 4 non-Subaru rally cars. I might build an
> Open Light car just for fun.
> I actually find the build process alot of fun,
> when you're doing it with friends. Part of my
> problem. I have a stripped down Merkur that needs
> shell prep finished and reassembled, a gutted
> Starlet that I want to cage and alread have enough
> steel and tools to do so, and I find myself
> looking at E36 BMWs on craigslist pretty damn
> frequently. I really want to power the Starlet
> with a Hayabusa engine, just for the fun of doing
> so.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO


you're racist against subarus

JVL is racist against BLACK rims

Timmmay is racist against NOT posting something RIGHT AFTER JVL every fawking time.....this forum has issues.


bwaaaaa, haaaahaahaahaaaaa......


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Re: What is the biggest obstacle keeping you from rallying ?
November 18, 2009 06:12PM
Actually, I think a GC Open Light car is the smartest car for any beginner to start rallying in if they are going to build. Helping my codriver build his currently in fact.



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