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Posted by heymagic
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I've done this at a rally I organized, and I won't do it again.
The safety issue is that the slow guys are also the less experienced guys. They will do a worse job of getting out triangles quickly and properly. We had some very close calls, and the response to post-rally interviews the along the lines of "I just didn't know that people would be going that fast", and that's just not the kind of thing you can teach. Also, you increase the likelihood of cars in the road making trouble for other cars. "But Anders" you say "since each car is independent of all others, doesn't the statistical likelihood of any one car crashing remain the same?" Yes, but that's not what I said. I'm talking about crashed cars interfering with other cars. Fast cars, when they crash, are much more likely to leave the road entirely given their rate of speed. They won't cause a problem for cars behind them. Slower cars are more likely to be at the edge of the road. However, the slower cars are much further down the slope of "how much grip is there versus how much am I using". Running in reverse puts (not "would put"  more cars on the edge of the road that will be _experienced_ by other cars.
There ARE neat promotional and "fairness" reasons to run in reverse order, but in my opinion they are not large enough to overcome the other problems on forest stages. On non-forest stages they should be considered, certainly. Happy New Year everyone!!! 
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heymagic Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure I view the faster is better when they > crash scenario. I've seen plenty of fast cars > wreck and block the road or worse... require > medical assistance. > > If we can teach chimps to go into space we can > teach beginners to put out triangles,, well in > theory. I've always felt the whole triangle thing needs to be stressed a awful lot more at Nervous Novice classes and refresher reminders at driver's meeting with clear words sumpin like "EVERYBODY SHALL put out the triangles as son as you stuff----the rules state ......., not "you must , unless you're fighting for a class win or unless you thought you wouldn'r be there that long etc" "You went off there, then that means there's some chance that somebody else my make a similar goof and stuff it right there, too---in fact they may just fawk up cause they come upon you and they break their concentration---and then go off" "If we get reports of cars off with no triangles---and OK signs, you will get your pee-pee whacked right on the end where it hurts more at the awards right in front of everybody" (blush) > > If we reversed the field properly the speed > differential woouldn't be that great. It would > increase gradually. If it looked to be a problem > initially a window could be put in. > > An added minor benefit JVL pointed out is the > learning benefit from getting passed by a faster > competitor. One big drawback to rally is the > isolated crews. On a road course or cricle track > you can watch and learn from the cars in front of > you. Rally typically lacks that. People can go for > years and not learn correct braking points or when > to toss a car. It isn't intuitive for lots of > people. Yep this is predicated on the idea we can convince folks that it's OK if there are people in the world who are faster than US, and so to stress "If you get caught, Pull OVER. Our road permissions and insurance are predicated on the idea that we're not head-to-head racing so if the guy behind has reeled you in by a full MINUTE, then he's faster, no big deal, just pull over----and then just on his tail and try and hang with him to watch how deep he goes, how soon he's on the gas etc. Turn getting caught into an OPPORTUNITY you don't ordinarily have to study your competitor and how they drive." None of what we do is intuitive except crying and suckling! What we are trying to do is get our driving so that it becomes the next best to intuitive, and that's "reflexive" and that takes PRACTICE and REINFORCEMENT, lots of both of those. And we should be trying to make PULLING THE FAWK OVER when caught equally a reflexive move.. And for any anomalies, like some guy is just unusually fast, there is always available re-seed and hopping over at ATC which should be simple if we TRAIN and REINFORCE the idea that there's no loss of dong size if somebody is quicker. You're still a manly man and driving cars is still the other thing that you're "better than average" at.
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