NoCoast Wrote:
> A Duratec powered Merkur with a tubular or Group A
> rear suspension setup would likely be in the
> 2200-2300 lb area.

Wait, what? I didn't realize those cars were so light.

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Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
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Carl wrote:
"RA cage spec = FIA cage spec with an allowance for DOM in place of CDS."

It sounds so simple until your RA tech guy inteprets things differently and you are welding more stupid tubes above the rear wheels or heading to Canada for a CARS logbook.

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Ted Mendham
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Other than power, which we all know doesn't win rallies, is there any advantage to a newer, strut-having Civic/RSX for the guy who values a dollar?
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What?? What??
Pete Gunningham won w POWER alone! Thanks to his connection to Honda he had every engine/body combination available and he went to the biggest beast - Prelude - and won the championship.
I got taste of it during Press Stage at Olympus rally. The engine was awesom! Pete tip-toed through turns (no suspension / grip to speak of) and opened up on the straights. During rally that was enough to beat others in Stock class, and quite many in Open. That succer revved to 9200! Stock, or near stock
PS. You guys have heavy cars! My '74 Volvo 142 was 2240 lbs - rally ready.

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tedm Wrote:
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> Carl wrote:
> "RA cage spec = FIA cage spec with an allowance
> for DOM in place of CDS."
>
> It sounds so simple until your RA tech guy
> inteprets things differently and you are welding
> more stupid tubes above the rear wheels or heading
> to Canada for a CARS logbook.
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>
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> Ted Mendham
> www.rensport.net


Ted: CARS cage spec also= FIA cage spec. Don't ya know we're 10% more yurapeein than Americans?

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I thought Pete Cunningham won production with an Integra.

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tedm Wrote:
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> I thought Pete Cunningham won production with an
> Integra.

A Honduh with lockwashers.
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> Ted Mendham
> www.rensport.net

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gkd Wrote:
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>
> I wonder what other G2 cars weigh, provided that
> they were newly built to the current cage specs?
>

My old rabbit wasn't built up to the new cage standards, but I'd imagine we'd have only gained 10lbs or so if we were up there..

2007 Oregon Trail Scale weight for the bunny was at 2276 when we ran in the national for Max Attack, with the 2.0L 16V so we were 71lbs over minimum....we still had glass in that car too....too bad rabbits are so weak and bendy.


Haven't had a chance to weigh the newer golf, but I'd imagine we are well into the 2400's with it if not more, with Lexan...oh well off to group 5 anyways

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david amor Wrote:
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> I can't fathom why there isn't more people running
> honda's that want a FWD.
> AFAIK:
> Un-matchable HP/displacement STOCK
>
> A ton of suspension travel
>
> Good suspension choices
>
> Lots of aftermarket support
>
> OEM and aftermarket LSD's
>
> Light
>
> What am I missing???
>

They are tinny little shitboxes with no soul.

But to each their own. Just not my cup of tea.

My Opel Ascona was 2350 lbs back in 1990 or so when I weighed it, rally ready. The new cage is heavier than the old outdated Matter cage was but I've been removing weight in other areas. When I finally have the time and money to finish it I expect it will still be somewhere around 2300 lbs.

I don't think there is a real compelling reason to go with anything newer than teh 2001 Integra. You pay quite a hefty weight penalty.

That being said, there isn't really anything wrong with picking an RSX or newer Civic, especially for Production class, but for G2, in my opinion the older stuff is better.

> Like I said, I got ideas for the Civic rally car.
> I just need to find a way to save on the cage
> build because it's over 33% of the total budget.
> Swapping integra hubs/knuckles will give extra
> beef and the stamped bones can be plated to beef
> them up. If the trailing arms are pansies,
> nothing a trip to the junkyard will solve for
> spares that you consider remove & replace.

Most of the stuff is cast (control arms, etc.). The rears are stamped, and the EK has even more stamped stuff than the EG.

Agreed on the inspect and replace on the rear trailing arms. IMHO just not worth the time to fab an upgraded part that I can get from a friend for free. On the EG/EF civics and the Integra, all the rear control arms are interchangeable. Even drum brake equipped ones are the same (have to swap out the spindle though).


> The suspension compression isn't really any issue
> as you can rub tires on the wheel wells all day if
> you want, it's getting that droop travel. The
> rear is limited by the trailing arm, pivot in
> middle deal since the end connected to the toe
> link contacts the chassis, which gives you your
> max droop.

I've thought about re-engineering the rear of the Hondas, don't love the trailing arm setup, but it works.

I will say one thing if you're considering a Honda--the 92-00 cars are at least designed to handle the larger 15" wheels. Seems like the EF cars would be able to handle it, but the wheel wells just don't have enough room. So I'm stuck with 14" tires on the EF, which is probably the ideal tire size anyway, but would be nice to use 15" wheels and tires which are easier to find and buy on the cheap.

phlat65 Wrote:
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> I am pretty sure Derik Nelson's Civic he said is
> around 2290lbs ready to rally, that car is super
> clean, very simple inside and out.

I think mine weighed in right in the low to mid 2300 lbs range or thereabouts. We pack a fairly extensive toolkit and underbody armor.

Yeah, I hear yah on the 15s being a tight fit. Moen and Johnston run 15s but they got bigger hp (well Johnston does when its working) but they still look too big. I plan on using most of my 14" wheels/tires from the vw. Can just buy those bitchin' audi wheels too for good/cheap rally wheels. That's what the Himes were running at LSPR on their EG.

Yeah, P class the newest SI or RSX are your ticket, but nothing to go for in P these days in 2WD. EG/EK are easier to get min weight than a new gen honda.