the sad thing, I think, is that the main problem is execution. these are all good ideas and discussions...but its just that, ideas and discussion.


someone needs to DO something, anything...just ONE of these ideas....stop talking or thinking about it and just DO it.


There were 3 rallyX events in NorCal last year....I ran all of them. If I didn't do it, there wasn't anyone to pickup the slack and there would have been nothing.


If the Marciniaks didn't pick up HDT, I don't think that would have happened this year.

After RA said RAlly CO was off the books, the existing organizers put the ball down (for their own reasons, no fault in that). But no reason someone else couldn't have picked it back up and done SOMEthing...but no one did, so now its gone.

Execution.

People like Anders do more and more and more, they get occasipnal 'hey, I'll help with that...'...and then those people just stand there and wait to be told what to do. We need more people to DO stuff. <---I'm not calling anyone out here, just a random observation.


Multiple times I've offered to show people what to do and how to run a rallyX event and even MAKE MONEY doing it...so far no one has stepped up. But everytime I ask for help growing RallyX in NorCal, i get plenty of PM's saying people will 'help', but when it comes time to DO stuff, that list gets real thin.


I often wonder what would happen to Rally in the SouthWest if the Gibeaults and Hockers suddenly took a year off and disappeared. Would people step up?

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/



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whoops, repost

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/



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It's not at all a random observation. I can only speak to Colorado. There is still talk of something happening. I can tell you the main reasons I am not doing anything related to Rally Colorado.
I'm already fairly busy with work and it's only getting worse.
I'm working a second job at my girlfriend's lab.
I have a girlfriend.
I don't really like competing at Rally Colorado. There's very little to no competition, all you CRS and PNW guys won't drive this far, and the roads are not exactly the most challenging roads (though they do have some really cool challenging aspects.)

I've been trying to get up to Wyoming to visit family and scout roads for well over three months now. It honestly won't be until June at the earliest. I did scope roads in the Leadville area at 11,000 feet over the winter, but alas they were all snow covered and mostly closed. There was just an article about the area trying to increase recreational tourism though and I think we rather fall into that category so not all is lost for a summer event.

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Grant Hughes

Of course, all the panty waste NA guys would complain about altitude even if I made all the stages be downhill to compensate. Then the ones who did bother to come out would probably complain about everything being downhill.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> Every clubman rallyists should be doing all or
> most of their work. If you can't weld, start
> hanging out with someone who can and learn.
> Everything else is pretty simple. I have yet to
> spend more than $200 on a paint job.

You are exactly right. The local rally club is critical for the health of the sport in the region. Those relationships fuel motivation and support the build. It's why I make a point of asking everyone interviewed on Rally Gearbox to tell us about their club. Hmmm... this gives me an idea. Thank you.

And, Burke, you are correct too. Nothing happens if nothing happens. This also gives me an idea. Thank you.

Shit. I need to check the CRS calendar. I need a fix.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

Jon Burke: Call me: 919 697 5282

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Slowwpoke Wrote:
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> > > QAnd on a related note, didya check out any
> of the
> > Ovlovs I found for you?
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.rallyrace.net/jvab
> > CALL +1 206 431-9696
> > Remember! Pacific Standard Time
> > is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.
>
>
> I did check them out. You've definitely proved
> your point that you can't pay too little for a
> good volvo shell. As I get closer to a grp 5
> build, I'll check into it again. Thanks a bunch
> for your help!

Isn't it hilarious?

was at Lynwood Pull=-a-part today; 9-10 240s, 5-6 740s
ZERO Toyota Corollas, ZERO Toyota old celicas, 1 Merkur Scorpio.
1 of "the other" 240---pretty straight too.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

NoCoast Wrote:
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> I don't really like competing at Rally Colorado.
> There's very little to no competition, all you CRS
> and PNW guys won't drive this far, and the roads
> are not exactly the most challenging roads (though
> they do have some really cool challenging
> aspects.)

*cough* Been there two out of the last three years, even though 5+'s and 6's aren't really that much fun in a NA Golf at 7500 feet. It's got some other fun stages though, and the block party is Most Excellent.

Carl's come up a couple of times, and Keith Jackson was there last year, and Shawn Hudspeth two years ago, and Lauchlin, and...

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Self-righteous douche canoe

Jon Burke Wrote:
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> If the Marciniaks didn't pick up HDT, I don't
> think that would have happened this year.

Actually, they were part of its inception (in its current
guise - a like-named event was run 30+ years ago) two years
ago and have been the organizers as long as it's been a
bona-fide rally.

> I often wonder what would happen to Rally in the
> SouthWest if the Gibeaults and Hockers suddenly
> took a year off and disappeared. Would people
> step up?

That's a good question. The Gibeaults in particular do a lot
and don't seem to get much recognition for it. On the other hand,
there are actually a number of people who are regular contributors,
but for one reason or another they don't seem to read internet
forums much.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

NoCoast Wrote:
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> Of course, all the panty waste NA guys would
> complain about altitude even if I made all the
> stages be downhill to compensate. Then the ones
> who did bother to come out would probably complain
> about everything being downhill.

It ain't the altitude, Grant. Laughlin was higher, Prescott's close, Idaho gets up there, NNR's at 5000'. It's stupid superhighway stages like Breeze/Flow at the altitude that suck.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

hoche Wrote:
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> Jon Burke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the Marciniaks didn't pick up HDT, I
> don't
> > think that would have happened this year.
>
> Actually, they were part of its inception (in its
> current
> guise - a like-named event was run 30+ years ago)
> two years
> ago and have been the organizers as long as it's
> been a
> bona-fide rally.

Well - I'll take a little credit. The Hockers were not going to run it after the initial 2008 'shakedown'. It was only until after the 2009 CRS meeting that we worked out we could make it go. Keep your calendars open for April 9th, 2011. *cough - we're applying for road permits.

hoche Wrote:
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> It ain't the altitude, Grant. Laughlin was higher,
> Prescott's close, Idaho gets up there, NNR's at
> 5000'. It's stupid superhighway stages like
> Breeze/Flow at the altitude that suck.

Oh yeah. I was talking about if I manage to get a rally in Leadville at 11,000ish feet.
Breeze Basin sucked in a turbocharged 2.2T Subaru and in my Merkur. Well, not sucked, but the superhighway areas even then still sucked. Breeze Basin with no brakes in the Subaru was pretty interesting and ended up producing some great photos in the Merkur cause I was like, we went through that corner without brakes flat out so I should be able to do the same in the Merkur. Both of these pics were on corners that probably needed braking input but I just pitched it at the top of 3rd or mid-4th gear.
http://nocoastmotorsports.net/Build/Merkur/Action/4412008SS7CTkach063.jpg
http://nocoastmotorsports.net/Build/Merkur/Action/4412008SS9CTkach005.jpg

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Grant Hughes

Gawddammit Grant, you lazy bastid! that a fuckin nice piccie and it is one of the major reasons I Like the gawddam Xratties and 240s so post it here, dammit!

Nice piccie, nice driving:

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Anders Green Wrote:
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> Jon Burke: Call me: 919 697 5282
>
> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0

Sure! but I'm pretty busy this week until the weekend to have a good conversation...OK to call you Saturday or Sunday?

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

Burke i'll have to hit you up, i may try putting on a RallyX or two in reno..

I think there's some benefit to proposing ideas knowing that the proposers won't be the one to do it. Like with rally spectator tour buses, I would be willing to try out such an effort, but not at the cost of not being able to attend the rally. (unless i'm unable to enter, but able to go to the event)

I specifically put to franchise it, to hope to make it as low / no effort to the rally organizer who already has too much on his/her plate.

But i see the Burke point, talk is cheap , we need more Doers than talkers. doh