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Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 23, 2010 08:15PM
Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title? Just curious if and when. I keep hearing about these bitchin' Volvos, but I am just not seeing the results.



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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 23, 2010 08:39PM
wvonkessler Wrote:
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> Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
> Just curious if and when. I keep hearing about
> these bitchin' Volvos, but I am just not seeing
> the results.
>
> My opinions are my own and are not to be construed
> as representing the viewpoint of any other person
> or organization. How's that for legalese?


No, and they didn't win many WRC rounds EVER, far less than the might Saab 96 V4.

It is the near total domination of Swedish National Class or "Group H" since about the early 90s with attendant high overall places....and just a cold eye over the car and engine specs to see that the cars just flat work, especially on the medium fast to very fast roads all US and Canajian organiser like to use for stages...

The cost benefit ratio of the rwd Voplvos is far and away better than any other car for competitive placing in Sweden..
I have a magazine here talking about build costs and at the time the best 2,0 CIH Opels in Sweden were doing about 208-210 bhp.

230-235 bhp from a Volvo at the time cost approx 1/3 the build cost.

Look at engine placement.
Look at bore---lots of room for big valves....
Power is ultimately limited by intake vqalve size....






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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 24, 2010 10:53AM
Ford has. But that doesn't make the Focus the best rally car ever.

Just because a vehicle has won a WRC title, or even event, doesn't mean that they are well suited to be a rally car, especially for a privateer. The only two exceptions to that are if you are cool with Open Light and Subaru and the Merkur.



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Part of "bitchin" is being able to get one
June 24, 2010 02:18PM
Yeah but there were whole rally series for stock volvo 240 in Sweden, often with 50-80 entries the old guys tell me.

Plus how many WRC titles for VW or Honda?

Anyhow, when I look in junkyards or craigslist, there aren't any Opels or Lancias. In the for sale list here, you will find a turbo volvo for free because I have too many of them in my driveway.

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Re: Part of "bitchin" is being able to get one
June 24, 2010 03:53PM
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> Yeah but there were whole rally series for stock
> volvo 240 in Sweden, often with 50-80 entries the
> old guys tell me.

VOC, Volvo Original Cup.
That madness spred to Norway and Holland and even those dour serious germans saw a good thing and introduced VOC
>
> Plus how many WRC titles for VW or Honda?

1 for VW---GroupA FIA Cup for Kenneth Eriksson 1986
http://www.rallye-info.com/driverprofile.asp?driver=44

>
> Anyhow, when I look in junkyards or craigslist,
> there aren't any Opels or Lancias. In the for sale
> list here, you will find a turbo volvo for free
> because I have too many of them in my driveway.

Hey! Isn't that MY Volvo youäre trying to give away...
I said "dibs", we just are trying to finger out delivery.
>
>






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Re: Part of "bitchin" is being able to get one
June 25, 2010 05:47AM
john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> alkun Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah but there were whole rally series for
> stock
> > volvo 240 in Sweden, often with 50-80 entries
> the
> > old guys tell me.
>
> VOC, Volvo Original Cup.
> That madness spred to Norway and Holland and even
> those dour serious germans saw a good thing and
> introduced VOC

Denmark as well - we have a national VOC, and a few of the drivers participate in parts of the Swedish VOC as well (and for the most part get their ass handed to them :-)).
With a few exceptions the Ovlov's aren't that good for Danish rallies though. Almost no gravel, and fairly slow twisty stages. Not particularly suitable for a somewhat long and heavy 240.
One guy does really well though - he was brought up with rallying though. Whole family is involved. Dad's been rallying 240's for ever, little brother is rallying as well, and the guy used to co-pilot his dad. Mom is in the service crew :-). Put him on gravel with his 240 VOC, and he'll beat most of the Danish rally "elite", since they're used to tarmac mostly.

Danish VOC website: http://www.volvooriginal.dk/ (danish only I'm afraid).



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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 25, 2010 11:51AM
who can afford to run a WRC car on their own? not very many people

cost to fun ratio I would think would be very good with a volvo, where I doubt I could sell my soul for enough for a wrc car


but then I'm the dumb chick who made an offer on a 2dr fiat 128
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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 25, 2010 08:03PM
Yeah, but who wants to run some piece of shit from some Scandanavian cuntry? Especially some boxy piece of shit. Weighs a ton. Looks ugly.



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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 26, 2010 12:37AM
wvonkessler Wrote:
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> Yeah, but who wants to run some piece of shit from
> some Scandanavian cuntry? Especially some boxy
> piece of shit. Weighs a ton. Looks ugly.
>
> My opinions are my own and are not to be construed
> as representing the viewpoint of any other person
> or organization. How's that for legalese?


That does it. If I ever see you at a rally,I'm not offering you any of my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 26, 2010 12:46PM
wvonkessler Wrote:
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> Yeah, but who wants to run some piece of shit from
> some Scandanavian cuntry? Especially some boxy
> piece of shit. Weighs a ton. Looks ugly.
>
> My opinions are my own and are not to be construed
> as representing the viewpoint of any other person
> or organization. How's that for legalese?


Dude, you're way off base. They weigh a ton and a half.
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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 26, 2010 01:02PM
Carl S Wrote:
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> wvonkessler Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, but who wants to run some piece of shit
> from
> > some Scandanavian cuntry? Especially some
> boxy
> > piece of shit. Weighs a ton. Looks ugly.
> >
> > My opinions are my own and are not to be
> construed
> > as representing the viewpoint of any other
> person
> > or organization. How's that for legalese?
>
>
> Dude, you're way off base. They weigh a ton and a
> half.


Actually they DON'T... stock they're around 1250 kg.... and easily brought down due to all the crap that's in them.
Volvo's group A race cars for circuit racing were below 1000 kg - more like close to 900 kg. Albeit that's with some trick body work - but with the rules you guys have for building (we're not allowed to lighten ANYTHING - body's to remain stock, no carbon fiber hoods or other parts, etc.), it shouldn't be too hard to come close to that.



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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 26, 2010 11:38PM
don't feed the troll

at first I thought this was actually a real question in a real thread, I bit just like the rest of you, but his 2nd post clearly shows he's only trying to get a rise out of people and have us try to argue with him or attempt to convince him differently even though he just doesn't care, the whole purpose was to create drama


I know my own kind, I've done the same thing on another site asking about drag racing :p
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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 27, 2010 12:36AM
12xalt Wrote:
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> don't feed the troll
>
> at first I thought this was actually a real
> question in a real thread, I bit just like the
> rest of you, but his 2nd post clearly shows he's
> only trying to get a rise out of people and have
> us try to argue with him or attempt to convince
> him differently even though he just doesn't care,
> the whole purpose was to create drama


He's just upset that despite the Krautski-esque edel name, he can't read a word of Swedish and so if he can't read all the hundreds and hundreds of rally result lists FULL of Volvos dominating GroupH--which he recognizes as the class to learn from, but sinc ehe can't read 15-18 years of quite amazing results, then it didn't happen...

besides, he's pissed that there's no love for Chevrolet Chevettes here which, according meine liebste advokat is the answer to life, the universe and everything...


Problem is all you have to do is look up the start list for Olympus WRC in 1986, the historic last GpB event and also the last event that 2 famous cars Homologation ran out (International events are open to currently homologated cars and homologation runs out 5 years after the end of production. Opel Ascona B,the car that dominated Swedish rally from the mid 70ss thru the early 90s before it was dethroned as THE car to have ran out 31 December 1986 as did the mighty Saab 96---even though as we all know series production ended in Feb 1980, but Saab sold new "T-bilar" or competition shells thru 1981, so by this ruse they got an extra year. Now as we all know the answer to all the BIG Qustions was worked out by Deep Thought---a super powerful computer so big a planet had to be made to hold it, and after a 10,000 year running of the program the answer to Life, the Universe and EVERYTHING was found to be..................................................
42.
look up that Start List?

OK let me help a bit:


Look on the Rally Shield of that nice Saab 96 and what start number do you see?

That's right....

PROOF! that the Saab 96 is the answer to all the big questions in life...

So unsere Herr von Kessler ist im kessel!

Of course he's going get all surly, but he shouldn't cause he has a pair of nice cars now, all he needs is good suspenders and maybe some hot cams for the 1900 16v..
No love for Chevette and there is proof that
>
>
> I know my own kind, I've done the same thing on
> another site asking about drag racing :p






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Re: Did Volvo ever win the WRC Manufacturer's Title?
June 27, 2010 09:27AM
I think my Datsun 510 was on the last year of homologation for Olympus also.

But I guess the best way to defend somene calling a Volvo ugly is to put up a picture of a SAAB....winking smiley
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