It would all hinge on a land owner with good local relationships that wants to have an interesting set of access roads. Gravelly terrain a plus.
A lawyer could set up a way the land could be used as before but with no liability to the "ex-owner". Somebody's pet fish would head the new corporation.
Events could be held, a shipping container bought for storage. A second container placed a bit away could be bridged with trusses to form a non-permanent shelter and double the secure storage. By now, 5 years have passed and the fiscally responsible club will be able to afford to send the series champion team to a real rally.
Unless they want to send the land owner who made this all possible.
This sound like a plan?

Carl S Wrote:
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> Sounds like a bunch of un-american socialist
> commies to me!


American socialist commies would mandate Rally Tire Reform. Everyone would be required to buy new rally tires every year (and prove it) or face a stiff fine.

RALLY TIRES FOR EVERYONE!

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Carl S Wrote:
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> turoc Wrote:
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> > Oh another thing I forgot to point out about
> clubs
> > which is common practice:
> > The higher budget teams give away used(barely
> in
> > most cases) tires so the grassroots guys
> could run
> > them.
>
>
> Sounds like a bunch of un-american socialist
> commies to me!

No free tyres (proper spelling!) for you!

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

sign me up.

Where are rally clubs forming in the USandA these days?

Suppose a guy were thinking about how he didn't want his wife to wake up one day and realize she's spent her whole life living in one place and wanted to move, but didn't want to move somewhere that sucked or anything like that.

Knowing where the rally clubs were would be good info to know. Even if the nearest rally was 500 miles away, there would still be off-tarmac shenanigans, imo.

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Canada has thriving clubs already in Ontario and Quebec.
The North West has good events and a lot of people but they are slow.
This would be the best area to start clubs because they like to sit around and talk.
The North East has the best events and more of them along with the fastest drivers.
More people to draw from but they're all too busy to be bothered with clubs.
Discussion?

Canadia would be nice, but it's not like we can just pack up the cars and cats and move to the great white north. They have rules and a semblance of border security up there.

The NE is beautiful country. There's a lot of history up that way and a lot of rally events. They might be faster events, but the cost of living out that way is ridiculous. And since I'm not looking to compete for championship glory, it's more important to me to have a closer-knit local/regional rally community.

PNW is topping my list. Seems like there's a good amount of events to be had, a solid rally community with a loosely organized club of sorts, and cooler weather. Been looking at the area (roughly) Bend to Bellingham to Couer D'Alene and back.

We shall see. We're on a 2-3yr plan right now. I don't want my Zonie wife spending her entire life living within 50 miles of where she was born.

Hmmm... Come to think of it, seems like there's some popular events and a strong community brewing out towards the Carolinas...

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How many of the fastest drivers on the east coast went to Tim O'Neils school?

This could be a decent factor, as we don't really have a school that indepth here.

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randyzimmer Wrote:
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> Canada has thriving clubs already in Ontario and
> Quebec.
> The North West has good events and a lot of people
> but they are slow.
> This would be the best area to start clubs because
> they like to sit around and talk.
> The North East has the best events and more of
> them along with the fastest drivers.
> More people to draw from but they're all too busy
> to be bothered with clubs.
> Discussion?

Where's the rebuttal?
Weenies!

My tongue-in-cheek statement does have some truth mixed in.

My unofficial survey shows most people move up and down and less
do diagonal moves so the PNW makes sense to me for you.
Don't think there aren't cheap digs out this way though.
Places like where Black River Stages is based are way cool and cheap.
Also close enough to where all the Eastern Canadian rally action is
to do round trips easily. GoogleMap Watertown, NY and see the location.
SCCA actively killed all the clubs that formed their base clientele, CARS embraces club participation. (I'm a semi-secret honorary member of the Kitchner-Waterloo Rally Club kinda)

DR1665 Wrote:
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>
> Suppose a guy were thinking about how he didn't
> want his wife to wake up one day and realize she's
> spent her whole life living in one place and
> wanted to move, but didn't want to move somewhere
> that sucked or anything like that.

Go to northern wisconsin, like Rhinelander for example. 6 hours from Ojibwe, 2.75 from LSPR, 7 from Sno Drift, 4.25 from the 6 nemadji events, 3.25 from the 2 gravity park rallies.
Thats 24 coefficients, or 10 days, worth of rallying within an easy days tow.
If you want to get a little crazier its 11.5 to 100AW, 14 to Rally Tennessee, 15.5 to Tall Pines, 15.75 to Black Bear, 16.5 to STPR, etc.

So thats a total of like 19 days worth of rallying within a (sometimes long) days tow.

Theres also plenty of autocrossing in northern WI with the fox valley sports car club http://www.fvscc.com/,
a great brisk winter tsd series through the arrowhead sports car club http://www.arrowheadscc.org/,
rallyx's during the summer and ice trials during the winter through the WAG group http://www.w-a-g.org/,
drag racing in union grove http://www.greatlakesdragaway.com/,
road racing at road america http://www.roadamerica.com/,
the list goes on.

Plus you get to get out of all that BS of living in mainstream america.

You know, I'd never thought about Wiscansin, Carl. Interesting. I'll look into it. The people there talk kinda funny, but so do Texans!

I guess I should have clarified, it's not that I don't have enough events to choose from, rather, I'm not likely to have the budget to run more than one or two. Granted, a larger selection is always nice, but I'd rather have more rallyistas nearby to shoot the shit with and "play cars" than more events.

To be perfectly honest with you, if there was something like a track day for rallyistas in the area - where you could drive out, drop $100, and run all day on a 1-2mi long course that was changed up a couple times a year, I'd be perfectly fine with that. Like those NASA HPDE days, only on dirt.

Call up the local club, get about a dozen rallyistas together, drive the cars out to the track, throw down for a Saturday, retire to the local pub for beers and bullshit, filthy rally cars filling the parking lot.

I love American rally. Don't get me wrong, but now that I've gone out and tried to document every rally event in the UK and found there are at least half a dozen MAJOR sanctioning bodies, with maybe 50 clubs organizing something like 100 rallies a year, most of which have at least 50-100 entries, it's kind of hard for me to decide where I'm going to relocate in the United States because of "faster" events.

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DR1665 Wrote:
> I've gone out and tried to document every
> rally event in the UK and found there are at least
> half a dozen MAJOR sanctioning bodies, with maybe
> 50 clubs organizing something like 100 rallies a
> year, most of which have at least 50-100 entries,

This deserves it's own thread and much more detail from you. Tell us what it's like over there!

Anders

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Anders Green Wrote:
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> DR1665 Wrote:
> > I've gone out and tried to document every
> > rally event in the UK and found there are at
> least
> > half a dozen MAJOR sanctioning bodies, with
> maybe
> > 50 clubs organizing something like 100
> rallies a
> > year, most of which have at least 50-100
> entries,
>
> This deserves it's own thread and much more detail
> from you. Tell us what it's like over there!
>
> Anders
>
> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0

Oh ja?
Ok.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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OMG. Check this out.

Ever heard of the Mitsubishi Lancer Register? As a Misterbichy guy, I had, and I even set out to interview the guy running the show over there. I thought it was just a paid Mitsubishi Evo forum in the UK. Even as I published the interview last night.

Turns out, this is a proper - successful - club.

Darin, the founder and had honcho works full time running the operations. He has a paid staff. He has 3 very super nice Mitsubishis. One is a Shogun (Montero) used by support crew when Ewan McGregor and that other guy rode bikes around the world a few years back, one is an all original RalliArt Evo VI GSR, and one is an Ex-Works Lancer Turbo WRC car.

The Lancer was driven by Pentti Airikala, has his signature on it, and is one of only 3 left in the world. (The other two belonging to Mitusbishi and the Ex-Ralliart WRC director. Darin's is even signed by Pentti. Wow.

Here's a run down of their annual events.

"If you’d prefer to list a summary, the total is 36 national events split down as follows;
• 14 Shows
• 10 Trackdays*
• 7 Sprints*
• 3 Driver Training events
• 2 bespoke events
* which also include driver tuition"

See also...

"What we offer members has now grown to include all the following…

• Membership pack including A5 Handbook, ID card and lanyard, decal pack and stainless steel badge (the pack varies every year)
• Full colour 120 page magazine which all members receive on a quarterly basis
• Access to a huge event calendar which includes UK and European trackdays, national MLR Sprint Series, car shows and bespoke MLR events such as 30-130 and MLR500
• Regional events
• Unlimited access to the website and Forum
• Discounted prices for virtually all the items in the MLR Shop
• Huge range of discounts with official MLR traders
• MLR insurance scheme and more"

I don't know that they run any rallies, but in the pictures I've seen browsing their Sprint Series members, most have roll cages in their Evos, they've got helmets, and they're into proper seat time.

Should organizers make a profit? Hmmm...

Evil plans... they go here.

Full story. Prepare to be dazzled. These guys even have a Guinness World Record.
http://mitsubishi.gearboxmagazine.com/2010/07/darin-runs-the-mitsubishi-lancer-register/

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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DR1665 Wrote:
> Should organizers make a profit? Hmmm...
> Evil plans... they go here.

A guy runs a club and makes enough money from it to afford to not have a separate job and in doing so puts on a whole bunch of events that the members come out and enjoy. That sounds like win-win.

Anders

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