Doo Wops 2011

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john vanlandingham
So, being a complete tool, I ain't wasting any more time by actually getting involved on an organising committee.

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john vanlandingham
In other words "If we didn't find it, we're not interested".

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Morison

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john vanlandingham
So, being a complete tool, I ain't wasting any more time by actually getting involved on an organising committee.

Fixed it for your John.

Getting permissions is tough at the best of times and the wrong approach can quickly sour even the best of relationships. Being currently involved in organising a (Canadian) National and having been the main organiser for a regional for several years I fully understand being protective of the permissions contacts.

If I point to our cone squishing cohorts in the local club, they were unable to get into a relatively small but usable parking lot for nearly a decade after they lost access to it. The RIGHT approach got them in last year and they have been invited to look at using another lot at another property owned by the same people. At other venues they have been turned down flat one year and welcomed the next when someone else did the talking.

All that aside ... unless you're ready to step-up and help you should let the people who are build the event as they see fit. If that enough people that like the result then someone else, will have the chance to take the event on and re-make it the way they see fit.

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john vanlandingham
In other words "If we didn't find it, we're not interested".

There is a lot more to a road than just 'it's there' and 'we have permissions.' I've had people bring me ideas for roads that look OK on the surface but on even slight investigation have serious control or other user issues that would make the road next to impossible to secure.

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Morison
Wow.
With the few rules here on Rally Anarchy including “one sure fire way to get booted is to act consistently stupid or take personal attacks too far.” I'm astounded that you haven't been sent to the Sin Bin for your bile filled outbursts. (I'd hate to see what is considered 'too far')

I'll be better off not coming back here anyway.

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Billyee
I think what he has to offer is very helpful and at least what he writes is spelled correctly and can be deciphered with out the use of mind altering drugs

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Billyee
Spelling is only important due to the fact that 1/2 the time i have no idea what you are trying to say, and most of the time its not worth it to try and figure out what you are trying to say. Its like listening to a 4 year old with a speech impediment talk. You could figure out what they are saying.... but do you really want to?

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john vanlandingham

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Billyee
Spelling is only important due to the fact that 1/2 the time i have no idea what you are trying to say, and most of the time its not worth it to try and figure out what you are trying to say. Its like listening to a 4 year old with a speech impediment talk. You could figure out what they are saying.... but do you really want to?

Billyee, here's a logic exercise: If person A has no problems understanding both what is written and as importantly, what is implied and person Billyee cannot understand what is written and what is implied,

then: where does the problem of understanding lie?

And if you can't understand the simple concepts we discuss here, how can you conclude that the ideas and suggestion---which many many people write and say thanks for explaining things so simply and clearly, then how can you logically conclude the ideas you don't understand aren't worth trying too?

You can't keep all the people happy all the time, so if you don't understand things written and implied, there's not much i can do for you.

Maybe you should talk more with experts at everything like Morrison and Timmy.

Note; I usually have no idea what they are saying except that it is intended to be arguing about things of no concern to themselves.

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Billyee

Look at what you wrote here, this is perfect, things were spelled correctly and people could read it. i think you are growing as a person.

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heymagic

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I'm a bit tired of the very bad language and attacks John. It needs to stop.
Keith , Timm and Tracey I consider friends. A little poke is fun, especially at Timm ---once in a while---but your behavior is over the top and you need to learn to take a bit of what you dish out repeatedly. Or name the website JVL Anarchy and a bunch of us will just go away.

Morison and Timmy have said to a number of people including here that their only reasons for being here is to try and start arguments and so I take them at their own words.
That they've chosen to do that is counterproductive and stupid.

Morison says in essence "You're a complete tool" then i will answer him in kind..

Same with Timmy and the other, thankfully gone people who take it as their mission to come here soley to start problems.
I will answer them with the same tone---and that includes their intentions,---as they write..

Seriously gene, if youbody announce they were going to make it their mission to slander and try and pick pointless fights, I know after a while you'd get pissed. You've mellowed a LOT in your um "late middle age" but you and anybody else would answer in kind.

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Every time you unleash one of your shock and jaw attacks you are costing yourself business. That relates to taking food off the table of your kids. People avoid the website and interaction with you for fear of being on the end of one of these attacks. What good does that do anyone?

Gene you know i will spend all kinds of time, TONS of time helping people with the stuff they can't do, the same sorta stuff you do as well, and that you and i have done for FOR FAWKIN EVER, so anybody that wants to discuss, analyze, question, who means to discuss, analyze, question to some imaginable end, then fine...
But insinuations, and the "I'm here to prove he knows nothing' which Timmy and Morison have stated is their goal, that i have no patiernce with.

and fortunately there are enough people who can see clearly that the "return volleys" of shit are returns, same shit lobbed back.

Sure it drives some away, but I probably wouldn't want to work with them anyway.

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We can discuss stuff and argue even without this sort of behavior. You and I can do it all the time with no hurt feelings.

Right, the reason is that I you don't mis, or dis-trust me or what I'm saying, and your differences of opinion----and I think we've seen that there's not a lot of serious differences---are looked as as simply difference of opinion, not that I'm "bad' or I'm "a bullshitter".
Further---and this is as important---you discuss the details, not just WHAT, but why and how

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Much of your good intentioned posts are lost with the half-assed Swinnish make believe words.

What make believe words?

And, if somebody doesn't understand something, is that a big crime?
Or are people incapable of asking "Uh hey, numb-nuts what the fawk youse mean by_______________?" That's fine, but if they don't understand these simple things we're working on and say "You're a bullshitter" then it's not fine.

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Might be time for a bit of soul searching here. Life is too short to just piss people off for no good reason.

Oh believe me I've thought a lot about banging head against the big social and economic and cultural changes which have washed over the country and our little sport, but I don't "piss people off for no good reason". I think the hundreds of people buying suspension in the recent years--I've completely lost track but man, a whole lot---and more orders every few days---just got a call for some Nissan SR20 stuff in the midle of this--I don't think they'd agree I'm pissing off people for no good reason.

As to this epic, fawk me I answered what I somehow took to be a solicitation of input "Recce is being considered but not finalized.". see this being a discussion forum, and I THINK there was some thread over elsewhere where the format was "under discussion", so i answered what I'd heard from everybody I had heard an opinion on what format.

I said EVERYBODY I have spoken with.
It was responded to with a sorta of pointless "Not EVERYBODY", well I didn't say "EVERYBODY", so I pointed that out---all fine and dandy, no snippiness just people talking. There has been lots of talk about difficulty in finding roads so I though to maybe suggest that maybe some of the narrower, smaller, and (Gasp!) curvier roads might be something to consider.

(after all if "whoever" lets us use say a big fat wide FAST road like Brooklyn, that means we're allowed in their area, if we're allowed in their area, then MAYBE we could look at some of the smaller, narrower, roads and spurs or spur-like roads. Only problem then is we couldn't brag about averaging 75mph and obviously the big horsepower cars would not have such a huge advantage on roads which were not basically fast and straight so often....but it was just a question and a suggestion----then we get what I took to be snide comments---and I'll answer snide with snide the same as anybody would.

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Pete Morris being the exception to that rule. I even look forward to hearing from Jens these days. Everyone has something to offer if you listen. So please take a breath and chill out a bit.

Most people do, agreed. Often, very often I tell people "speak up, add your opinion, your opinions as (newb-beginner-potential rally-loon, enthusiast not yet in) are just as valid as anybody else' , stop lurkin and say hello.

But I stress again, little Timmy and Big Morison have explicitly stated their intentions are to disrupt, derail and "prove" that I am a baddie and a bullshitter. That is what they offer.

And I see no reason to let people just shit on me--or anybody else who doesn't deserve getting shat on individually or collectively.

Finally I remind you again when you and I disagree its as two guys who have been involved in various ways in this sport for decades, you much longer than I, and you are here expressly to attack me. Morison shows no respect, he therefore gets none.
Timmy is just a punk.