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I wouldn't say "fear" really, or at least as far as I've known, more just along the lines of "not the kinda of shit I wanna wade through". I think a lot of time when people don't reply it's because we really aren't going to read the tirade that follows, so we just skip it and then we don't have to scroll past what would have followed.

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Look Mirrilee, as far as i know, we've never spoken, and i have no idea what your "voice" is but I give you a hint: you don't engender yourself to people when you characterise things they write or say as TIRADE....when in fact its just a faithful representation of the way we all talk when we're talking amongst ourselves.

This facade of propriety and the accompanying "tsk tsk"ing is sorta silly, isn't it?

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Billyee's replies are a great example of some good natured humor either taken wrong, or pretended to be taken wrong, I'm not sure which.

I know it 'ruins the joke' to have to explain a piece of humor, but please, elucidate me as to the points where it was intended to be funny cause I missed it, really.

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Billyee
Spelling is only important due to the fact that 1/2 the time i have no idea what you are trying to say, and most of the time its not worth it to try and figure out what you are trying to say. Its like listening to a 4 year old with a speech impediment talk. You could figure out what they are saying.... but do you really want to?

Coming in the context it did, from somebody who basically never posts here, it didn't smell like it was supposed to be funny, it seemed to be a combination complaint and insult.
But I don't know, I haven't read enough of the guy's writing to have a clue of his "voice".

The answer was simple, but it seems there are many that forget it, but in no way was it angry or nasty, just suggesting he consider there are many ways to misunderstand.

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In any case, his schlop created more great replies from billyee, so I guess in the end it was all good since I got some good laughs out of it.

More nicely chosen words, Mirilee, is that supposed to be humor? Or what?

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No doubt the guy has a lot of great advice to offer and does, and many times a lot of humor in his posts that are very entertaining.

No doubt, and no doubt I give tons of time to any and all, advice and assistance working, sourcing, conception, and even driving advice that seems to work for some...
Why didn't they complain they couldn't understand?

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As for the creative spelling, I can't say anything since I do that fairly often myself

Are people seriously complaining, complaining about such silly tint things as phonetic spellings of words many of us use routinely?
Of parodying Inter-net speak?

Man they must have everything else in their lives all sorted if they have time to be bitter about stuff like having fun with the lack of the collective "you" in English.
canaille monolinguistico yanquis!

I'm not asking you to decide to like Keith, just maybe be a bit more adult in your responses. Just asking.

As to the Brooklyn road...we are allowed use of that road and Smith Creek by Grays Harbor and Pacific County. Pacific County additionally asked us if we could use Palix as a stage. Those are the only roads in both counties that are suitable gravel roads. The side roads off of Brooklyn are all Weyerhauser or Port Blakey roads, with a hint of DNR thrown in. None of the side roads are county roads.

The Pico stage near Montesano is owned by the City of Montesano. The side roads off it are mostly Weyerhauser. There are a couple of people on the city council that don't want us to use that road. It also has a very thin base of gravel and tears up pretty fast some years. That is another $1000 or so out of a budget that is stretched too tight already.

Bottom is line is we have the roads we currently have. If they're not to an individuals liking then best thing is don't run on them.

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john vanlandingham
Morison and Timmy have said to a number of people including here that their only reasons for being here is to try and start arguments and so I take them at their own words.

Funny thing about that John is that I have never said that and never would because it's not the case. Again, you think that if YOU say it repeatedly and with enough conviction people will believe you. They don't.
The closest I have come to saying anything like that is to say that I won't be bullied by you and that I'll gladly call you out as needed.

In fact my first posts here were to try and advance a conversation about pace notes. The effort was torpedoed by you for what-ever reason but you convinced people that I was suggesting things I wasn't and you berated me for not knowing things about people that - in reality - I had no reason to know.

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john vanlandingham
Morison says in essence "You're a complete tool" then i will answer him in kind..

OK ... a quick internet humour lesson for you. "Fixed it for you" is fairly commonly used to indicate an intentionally altered quote that is INTENDED to be funny.

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But insinuations, and the "I'm here to prove he knows nothing' which Timmy and Morison have stated is their goal, that i have no patiernce with.

More lies.
I've never suggested you know nothing - quite the opposite.

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But I stress again, little Timmy and Big Morison have explicitly stated their intentions are to disrupt, derail and "prove" that I am a baddie and a bullshitter. That is what they offer.

Whatever John. At least in the forum where someone was asking about CARS cage rules and grandfathering in particular I gave real answers based in facts instead of some mindless, pointless rambling post.

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Morison shows no respect, he therefore gets none.

The thing is you set the tone on that bit John.
I refuse to drink your Kool-aid and that pisses you off.

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As to the Brooklyn road...we are allowed use of that road and Smith Creek by Grays Harbor and Pacific County. Pacific County additionally asked us if we could use Palix as a stage. Those are the only roads in both counties that are suitable gravel roads. The side roads off of Brooklyn are all Weyerhauser or Port Blakey roads, with a hint of DNR thrown in. None of the side roads are county roads.

The Pico stage near Montesano is owned by the City of Montesano. The side roads off it are mostly Weyerhauser. There are a couple of people on the city council that don't want us to use that road. It also has a very thin base of gravel and tears up pretty fast some years. That is another $1000 or so out of a budget that is stretched too tight already.

Bottom is line is we have the roads we currently have. If they're not to an individuals liking then best thing is don't run on them.

Thank you Gene for stating the facts. I appreciate the support.
Tracy

Keep Doo Wops at it's roots!
Great value for time invested, great roads, and great learning! Go to one day, have two stages run multiple times, no notes or recce, keep entry fee low. It's what's made it a great format that so many other rallies that try to grow too big for their britches are learning about.
Look at what organizers in Minnesota are doing. They now have 20 or so coefficients and every one is a regional rally. Two longer ones planned (Minnesota and Ojibwe) that are the caliber of a national event, then a bunch of short sprint type ones. I think that is the right format.
A wide variety of roads is fun but not necessarily the best learning experience for drivers. Getting to repeatedly attack and learn a stage and progressively approach that limit and learn where that limit exists for a driver and a car is where we people can really start to get fast in my mind.

So, this begs the question, what's up with Olypmus?

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Keep Doo Wops at it's roots!
Great value for time invested, great roads, and great learning! Go to one day, have two stages run multiple times, no notes or recce, keep entry fee low. It's what's made it a great format that so many other rallies that try to grow too big for their britches are learning about.
Look at what organizers in Minnesota are doing. They now have 20 or so coefficients and every one is a regional rally. Two longer ones planned (Minnesota and Ojibwe) that are the caliber of a national event, then a bunch of short sprint type ones. I think that is the right format.
A wide variety of roads is fun but not necessarily the best learning experience for drivers. Getting to repeatedly attack and learn a stage and progressively approach that limit and learn where that limit exists for a driver and a car is where we people can really start to get fast in my mind.

So, this begs the question, what's up with Olypmus?

Thanks Grant for your input!! DooWops was always put on for the local ralliest. Ray generally broke even but costs have risen and others are responsible now. Losing money isn't a good option. A simple event is still the main focus. The reccce was considered as a way to help educate competitors for Olympus and Oregon Trail. Recce and notes are a procedure just like driving, seat time is very important. Nothing has been decided yet and the core group hasn't met for the first time either. Just a few emails and gathering info from competitors, workers and so on.

As to Olympus I believe this year will be a good event. I think the route will be nailed down earlier than the last couple of years. In the recent past it had been hinted that certain roads would or could be made available to the event. Once the procedure (and a bunch of time) was instigated they found out the roads wouldn't ever be available. This was from a couple diffferent large landowners. Now no effort is being wasted in those directions. I'd expect the Brooklyn,Smith Creek combo and possibly something new but that is very preliminary....beyond that its not up to me to comment at this time. You always hate to give away too much. If something doesn't work (like the ESPN/RCX thread on SS) some people just love to point out the negative . I will keep people informed as info becomes legit and available.

Hopefully the reported absence of Pastrana/Block and a few other front runners don't have a big effect on turn out. I'd guess maybe a few of the competitors will step up efforts if it looks like they have a reason, so may work out to be a good thing. On the other hand a few less speccies might be a bit more manageable....

Tracy thank you to you and those going to the effort at making Doo-Wops happen.

I hope to have the Volvo ready to go play in time for your event.

Please don't be frustrated with noise from the Seagull. It is not worth a response and only wishes to poop on your party.

How is it that the Seagull is not in the 'Sin Bin?'

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Tracy thank you to you and those going to the effort at making Doo-Wops happen.

I hope to have the Volvo ready to go play in time for your event.

Please don't be frustrated with noise from the Seagull. It is not worth a response and only wishes to poop on your party.

How is it that the Seagull is not in the 'Sin Bin?'

Hey Lane, you want to end up there?

Have something useful or insightful or interesting to add?

No links from Freerepublic or Stormfront?
Then shut the fuck up.

Your presence in this thread is obviously soley to stir shit, you know that as well as I.
On the contrary from you shit slinging, I only asked/suggested that--what with all the talk of safety, that skinnier roads with lower averages MIGHT be something to inquire about.
I didn't know Manspeaker had not been to look at or choose roads.

How would I?

Asking a question isn't ,to anybody but a few asshole insecure types or just plain assholes, not an attack.
Its asking questions, you twit.

How are we supposed to learn things?
OH! That's right! You don't need to learn anything...!!!!
Acting like your displaying solidarity when you're bbeing a lame ass whiner is more important.

Well Lane, I've asked the same questions about the ridiculous high speed roads in Eastern Washington, and of course there was the same type of mindless blather for people then too.

Come on Lane, contribute something useful or fuck off.
Is that really so hard.
You must have something to say useful?
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By the way, I would expect to hear from the same complainers of my tone a similar cluck clucking for it is obvious what Lane's post IS regardless of his childish pretense he maintains, the intention is merely to insult.
If you know him, then you know that is true.

So....lets hear some condemnations...



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Im really not sure why you are attacking every person who posts in this thread. You haven't contributed anything useful to it what so ever. John on the other had did offer something to it. He was showing his thanks and support to Tracy for taking the work load for DooWops

JVL why are you such an angry man? Have you considered taking anti-depressants? I really thing they could benefit your mood and how you treat other people. If medicating is not for you... sunlight also helps increase the level of serotonin, things as simple as taking a walk or eating your lunch outdoors can really improve your mood.

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I only asked/suggested that--what with all the talk of safety, that skinnier roads with lower averages MIGHT be something to inquire about.
I didn't know Manspeaker had not been to look at or choose roads.

How would I?

JVL, slower roads are the goal, and experienced organizers (Ron Barker - our Clerk of Course & Steve McQuaid, Co-Chair) are working with me on road selection. I don't need to see them if they already have.

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john vanlandingham
I've asked the same questions about the ridiculous high speed roads in Eastern Washington, and of course there was the same type of mindless blather for people then too.

The roads in Eastern Washington aren't up to us, that event is organized by John Forespring. Please ask him directly as we cannot answer for him, nor would we want to.

Tracy

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john vanlandingham
Hey Lane, you want to end up there?

A threat?

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john vanlandingham
something useful or insightful or interesting to add?

Support for Tracy. You seem to not approve. I don't care what you think. Many others are also very tired of your tirades.

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john vanlandingham
no links from Freerepublic or Stormfront?

I don't pay attention to Freerepublic or Stormfront. lol I listen to 'hate radio' as I work. You should try it. You may pick up some better one-liners.

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Then shut the fuck up.

No. I'm not just trolling you JVL. You may wish to think of whether or not you play more then a bit part in any 'discussion' with you online.

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john vanlandingham
Your presence in this thread is obviously soley to stir shit, you know that as well as I.
On the contrary from you shit slinging, I only asked/suggested that--what with all the talk of safety, that skinnier roads with lower averages MIGHT be something to inquire about.
I didn't know Manspeaker had not been to look at or choose roads.

How would I?

Asking a question isn't ,to anybody but a few asshole insecure types or just plain assholes, not an attack.
Its asking questions, you twit.

How are we supposed to learn things?
OH! That's right! You don't need to learn anything...!!!!
Acting like your displaying solidarity when you're bbeing a lame ass whiner is more important.

Well Lane, I've asked the same questions about the ridiculous high speed roads in Eastern Washington, and of course there was the same type of mindless blather for people then too.

Come on Lane, contribute something useful or fuck off.

John you paint a picture of yourself online that follows you everywhere you go in real life. Think about it. Grow up. really.

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By the way, I would expect to hear from the same complainers of my tone a similar cluck clucking for it is obvious what Lane's post IS regardless of his childish pretense he maintains, the intention is merely to insult.
If you know him, then you know that is true.

So....lets hear some condemnations...

Bring them! I'm such a baddie!

John WTH is with the foul language? You are not even funny anymore. Seemingly just really bitter. Too bad.

Hey you Johnny Come-lately-top this forum, around here we have been able to pose questions---since that is central to what most of the world considers discussions---for a number of years without EVERY SINGLE QUESTION beiing characterised by a few of you as something of an attack for which you must DEFEND.

I mean really: what the fuck?

I mention IN PASSING that I wasn't CRITICIZING ANYBODY about the roads and added I have said the same about other absurdly fast roads in the past and elsewhere.

What would compel Tracy to respond with:
"The roads in Eastern Washington aren't up to us, that event is organized by John Forespring. Please ask him directly as we cannot answer for him, nor would we want to. "

NOTHING that I said OR IMPLIED could be imagined to say that she had anything to do with the roads over there..

Why respond back with what seems to me to be a somewhat defensive and painfully OBVIOUS answer?

Are you people really running around with REAL chips on the shoulder, or just big E-chips?

I deal with a LOT of people on the phone every day, usually there's a lot of questions back and forth, lots of laughs--I am usually solving problems---ya know, things they fucked up and need to get done right---what is there no simpering and whining from any of them?

I believe you complainers are not doing what I said to Gene he does: looking at things as just discussion, and questions aren't attacks.

I mean just look at Gene's answer: clear, concise and enough details that we all know he is actually TALKING TO us--and me.

Why couldn't Tracy answer like what Gene did?

Maybe if some of you tried talking details instead of acting like prima-donnas--or Protectors of the One Truth of Big Promotion is the Savior of the Sport, or simple minded trolls, this simple thread could have been more informative and enlightening.

Maybe some of you guys who imagine you hear an "angry" tone could shift you receptors and hear "confused" or "baffled at....".

Unless of course you know everything of everybody's' intentions.

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Why couldn't Tracy answer like what Gene did?

Maybe it's because I don't have a dick and testicles?

John,

If you don't like something about a rally you have to make an effort to find a solution. Talking about it on the internet doesn't count. Criticizing people who are working to make the rally happen does not help. You have to actually do something to have any credibility.

I see Kieth and Tracy at all the rallies. They work and compete. That gives them credibility in my book.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

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John,

If you don't like something about a rally you have to make an effort to find a solution. Talking about it on the internet doesn't count. Criticizing people who are working to make the rally happen does not help. You have to actually do something to have any credibility.

I see Kieth and Tracy at all the rallies. They work and compete. That gives them credibility in my book.

That's funny, I didn't criticize anybody.
Least of all Tracy who i don't know.

And lets see wasn't I at a rally this year? OH YEAH I was; In a fucking car, imagine that?!!! Co-driving and just barely after working on some boxy thing for 4 full days before hand...

Only reason i wasn't co-driving at Olympus and Oregon Trail is I was hospitalised with a couple of nasty blood clots that fucked me up pretty damn good.
You remember that don't you, the 12" bright red scar on the knee?


And when somebody called me up and asked to do some scrutineering at Doo-Wops, didn't i go do that?
I recall i said "Thanks for reaching out" ..
I vaguely remember doing that and then making it a point to check with Gene if there was any more we could do..
I kinda remember you were there in the same truck being radio guy.


What are you playing at, Robert?

You actually have to do "something"?

We do what we can.
I make a lot of parts for a lot of guys.
I let guys make payments---I let you run a tab of over $2400 same time as I was letting other guys run $1000+ tabs and lending them serious parts so they could be out doing events Robert, isn't that something?

What are you saying? Or implying?
What's this:

That's some Nissan SR20 suspension
Elsewhere here we just heard that another Nissan guy just won Gp5 at tall pines Canajian National with OH! My! My suspension, how many years now?
Is that something?

Cogratulations Martin if you're reading this shit.

Right now I'm building Subaru suspension for a guy in Idaho who isn't rolling in dough, I'm letting him make 4 payments---so he can get decent stuff which will last...

Is that something enough to get me any credibility in your eyes?

How many decades you want to go back?