How does the whole grandfather clause work?
If I am to buy a car in the US, import to Canada.
Will the cage and everything pass CARS tech?
Logbook was issued in around 2003.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

I think if you live in Canada it will have to meet CARS specs.

I agree with Gene. The real question is if CARS will accept an older homologated cage at all and if so with an American log book. Remember that a homologated cage cannot be altered in any way. The cage must also be installed as per the manufacturer's instructions by a certified technician.

---

Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

Quote
slidewaysrally
How does the whole grandfather clause work?
If I am to buy a car in the US, import to Canada.
Will the cage and everything pass CARS tech?
Logbook was issued in around 2003.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

How old are you?
Do you have kids?
Do they have kids?
Don't worry about Grandfather Clause.
But Christmas is coming!!!!
And Santa Clause knows if you've been naughty or nice!

What car? Details!!!--how the hell we 'spossed to answer questions bout a car we've never even seen?


Remember Sandy Claws knows if you've been naughty or nice, BUT we don't know shit till you tell us, tell us more.

WHO what where when how and why---car cage built by, tube diameter numbers!!! Figures...come on.

This is what I was sent from the builder of the car.
It is a 94 Acura Integra.
Located in Bellingham.
Builder was JSport.


The main hoop is 2'' .080 chromoly, the rest is 1.575 .060 chromoly.

Here are the specs.

Engine: “brand new, hardly broken in” just spent $13,000 on engine build alone
Dependable NA 210+ whp and 130tq
Built and tuned by Kinetic Motorsport in BC
AEM engine management Installed and tuned by Kinetic
Head: B18C1 GSR head
Skunk 2 intake manifold, port matched to head and gasket
3 angle valve grind
Extrude hone ported head and flow bench P&P
Valve guides relieved
Toda cam belt
All oem Honda timing components
Toda spec B cams
Toda valve springs
Skunk 2 Ti valve spring retainers
B18C5 valves (necked in)
Koyo aluminum race radiator with custom fan mount

Short block: B18C5 type R
Rotating mass lightened and dynamic balanced
block guard sleeve “welded”
Approx stock bore
Endyne rollerwave pistons 14:1
Eagle rods
Endyne block breather system ( not installed)
Moroso race aluminum oil pan
Jsport custom oil cooler
Relocated oil filter

Fuel:
Aem fuel rail
Aem adjustable fpr with gauge
Fuel test release “scca rules compliable”
Rc 225cc injectors
Hondata intake insulation gasket
Walbro fuel pump


Exhaust:
ANR equal length 4-1 header thermal coated “crazy”
Header, gasket to head port matched
Custom Kinetic motorsport stainless exhaust “super lite”

Gearbox:
ACT clutch
Indigo flywheel
GSR grearbox
Stock 1st gear
Type R 2nd gear
3rd 4th and 5th ATS short gearset “super close”
Diff = drag spool
Custom Raxels axels
Custom tall short shifter built by kinetic motorsport
Also a heel toe tall short shifter

Suspension:
Custom Jsport steering quickener instillation
Polly bushings through out
Jsport reinforced trailing arms
Jsport reinforced control arms
DMS gravel coilovers
Compomotive racing TH2 wheels 15in
Spare set of stock wheels 15in
Skunk 2 upper front adjustable control arms “not installed”
Cryo treated rotors and carbotech pads all around
Willwood pro rally front brake setup “not installed”
Type R rear control arms
Rally sway bars

Body:
Sprayed Subaru sonic yellow
Sparco FIA homologated cage “complete with certification papers”
Momo true race steering wheel
Peltor onboard comunication with headsets
Fiberglass Hood “functional scoops”
FAL rear hatch glass
Custom Lexan windows
Jsport front tubular subframe with skid plate (indestructible!)
Jsport custom under body armor with fuel tank protection
Momo race seats
Momo steering wheel
Sparco harnesses
Terra trip rally computer with 2 probes installed
Custom fiber glass dash upholstered with alcantara with carbon fiber gauge cluster
VDO gauges
Stack tachometer
Spa speedometer
Rally functional roof vent
Custom carbon fiber floor inserts
Custom fiberglass hood mounted night rally quad light system “PIAA”
Seamed welded
Strut towers reinforced and plated

$13000 for the engine---somebody got fuck up the ying yang royally for the few piddly bhp more than a combination like that of standard parts could do..

That is the cool thing with the Hondas is the power available for cheap when mixing and matching things commonly available.
$13000 is twice what a Cosworth YB fully rebuilt would cost and those are rare 9even if there are 2 downstairs fully rebuilt at the moment:



As to the cage, better ring somebody up there in BC and ask THEM.

You know Tony Latham?
That's a good start, he can tell you whoever the tech-geniuses are now.


How much for this?
Gots any piccies?

Look at those goodies in JVL's basement... if i were closer and had a bit of cash...

Quote
BJosephD
Look at those goodies in JVL's basement... if i were closer and had a bit of cash...

I'm sure the car will need a CARS logbook if owned by a Canadian and have to meet whatever CARS spec they require. I'd be surprised if the cage passed muster nowadays, papers or not. I'm even more surprised to see it have an actual SCCA rally logbook, if indeed it does.

Does anyone know about this car? It is a yellow Integra. It last competed in the 2003 Mt. Hood rally.

I have serious doubts about the cage. The seller says that it is a homologated Sparco cage. It's made out of cromoly. The pictures indicate that it is mig welded.

---

Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

Here is the car and some cage pics.

Couple of quick points on this.

1) The car will retain its SCCA logbook but if run by an entrant on a CARS License - and Canadians MUST run on a CARS license in Canada - the car must meet CARS rules.

2) The CARS rulebook is available online - download it and get familiar with it.

3) In the appendix at the back of the rule book (pg. Appendix 1) are the cage rules for cars completed between Jan 1, 2000 and Dec. 31 2008. Homologated cages are acceptable provided they are installed correctly AND have a valid homologation certificate.

The essence of the grandfather clause is that cars need to meet the spec for when construction is completed. So, if you buy a car that had its first log-book issued in 1995 you it would have to meet the specs for pre 2000 cages (page Appendix 6.) Those rules mirror the SCCA rules fairly closely. After 2000 there were some differences which makes SCCA cages really iffy. I know two cars (including a 'free' golf from Seattle) that needed to be re-caged to meet CARS spec.
The trick with a Homologated cage is that it must be installed as required and can't be modified. I know of a car in BC where they added elements to the cage which voided the homologation. I think they were told to by someone at a track they were running at... expensive mistake.

Kieth,

I find it interesting that CARS would not want to issue a new log book. Are you sure about that?

---

Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

Yes - we see imported cars running on their old logbooks all the time. The book is supposed to be a running history of the car and it should only have one logbook (until its been filled) - why would you actively remove that history or transfer it to a new book.
Also of note, under CARS the logbooks are held until the end of the event an the stewards are the ones to make note of any incidents and/or results so the history is accurate, not a simple event/result list.
(IE it will list DNF Mechanical - gearbox or Off road - light impact mostly cosmetic or Off road - major impact significant damage.)
Under RA(RC) you could centre punch a tree and get away with noting it in your logbook as DNF - coolant leak because the coolant leaked out after the tree obliterated the rad.

CARS does put a permanent sticker on the cage that indicates that it meets the standard it needs to meet. A homologated cage that has a serial number from the manufacturer would still receive a numbered sticker from CARS.

I can't think of why CARS would want to issue their own log book.

Quote
Morison
under CARS the logbooks are held until the end of the event an the stewards are the ones to make note of any incidents and/or results so the history is accurate, not a simple event/result list.

We do this in the Atlantic Rally Cup as well, it's pretty straightforward.

Anders

---

Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.