I was just thinking about posting this survey on the site, actually. I might be able to get that done by the weekend. (Looking forward to some down time!)

You present interesting points, Morison. In the end, I'm trying to compile data of use to various parties. I think everyone would be interested in seeing how their rally experience compares to others - how far they travel, how much they pay, what they get for their money, and so on. A volunteer/working survey would also be a good idea, but I think would present some different questions. How might this information be useful to organizers/sanctioning bodies, ya know?

My concern is the co-driver component potentially skews the results. (Or does it?) Are there co-drivers who don't pay entry fees? What about co-drivers who compete in multiple classes in a year? How might that impact results on number of competitors during the season?

It seems this isn't as simple as initially thought, but I think the right set of questions would make all the difference in the world. Thanks for the feedback.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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Are there co-drivers who don't pay entry fees? I don't
What about co-drivers who compete in multiple classes in a year? I typically do - I've even competed in multiple classes at the same event! (PGT in National and open in the regional portion of the same event
How might that impact results on number of competitors during the season? Co-drivers (and service crew,really) are competitors too...

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It seems this isn't as simple as initially thought

Mining valuable data is rarely simple.
As an example, I took your question on how far I travel to get to an event to be the one-way distance yet Chris Martin chose to clarify that he was listing one way distances.

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but I think the right set of questions would make all the difference in the world.

Without a doubt, which is why there are very large and very successful companies who do just that.



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- How many events did you enter? 4 (3 Regional, 1 National)
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? $399 (Doo Wop Rally)
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? $950 with notes (Idaho)
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 200 miles one way
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 750 miles one way
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? 400
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? 5
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 2
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? Having to stop mid stage so my co-driver could hurl multiple times on day one of Idaho.
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? Finishing that first rally, even with some problems. And moving from the bottom third to the top third of the pack over a season.

- How many events did you enter? 6 events total, (4regional, 1 national, 1 international)
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? $400cdn...Lannark Highlands
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? $5000 cdn Targa Newfoundland
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 100km
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? ~4000km one way (included recce)
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? ~900-1000km
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? 30+ (2WD is a class right?)
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 2, CARS national/RA
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? Crashing on day5 of Targa while sitting 12 sec out of the lead
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? Targa, and being 12 seconds out of the lead on day 5.

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Are there co-drivers who don't pay entry fees?

Co-drivers and event costs are a "Market Value" thing, and there's about a dozen different parameters that enter into the negotiation table.

- How many events did you enter?

Entered 1 - RallyTN. Attended Sandblast as well to volunteer.

- How much was the least expensive event you entered?

Sandblast was essentially free for me as 0.

- How much was the most expensive event you entered?

RallyTN was around 1k for entry.

- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event?

Sandblast is 2.5 hours for me ~ 156 miles

- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event?

RallyTN. 12 hours, ~ 650 miles

- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year?

~250mi. (0 + competition), not counting reccee at TN.

- How many competitors were there in your class over the year?

27 AWD drivers in 2010 in the Atlantic Rally Cup.

- How many competition licenses did you need this year?

1

- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year?

Off at TN loosing 15 mins or so.

- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year?

First event!

- How many events did you enter? 6
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? 399
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? 950
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 82 miles
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 1903
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? 580
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? 3 classes in 3 championships = to many to count
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? nasa and ra
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? watching a friends car burn to the ground
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? finishing races

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- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 82 miles

Lucky bastage.

As a Co-driver

- How many events did you enter? 6
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? 399
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? 950
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 13.4 miles, one way
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 1,957 miles one way
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? 530 miles
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? Lots, I'd say 50+ different 2wd teams. Thanks MaxAttack!
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 2 Nasa/RA
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? car burned to the ground at rally Idaho
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? Helping Brian to his first class win my first time co-driving for him at DooWops, 5th at MaxAttack! OTR

- How many events did you enter? 7
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? $400
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? $950
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 135
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 800
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year?
540 Stage miles ~~ 1200 total
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year?
7 P-stock , 4 production
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 2
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year?
Took a big jump where the road turned, landed on the berm, popped 4 tires, bent 3 rims, bent sub frame, A-arm, broke sway bar, tore out some bolts from the skid plate + other damage (ran out of tires)
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? 7th overall and class win @ rally idaho, lead my class from the first stage to the last stage.

Thanks for all the replies, gents. I've compiled the results thus far and added some additional questions on Gearbox Magazine. If you guys could help sort things out and make this a worthwhile survey to take, I'd love to get busy promoting it around the world as an annual event.

Thanks again.

EDIT: Link --> http://rally.gearboxmagazine.com/2010/12/international-rally-survey/

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2010 02:28PM by DR1665.

I'll note that for all intensive porpoises there wasn't a significant difference in the Canadian and US dollar in 2010 ... USD should be the standard measure...

Codriving

- How many events did you enter? 9 Rallies 1 Desert race
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? $450
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? $850+notes
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 50 miles (all other rallies are 7 hours plus away though)
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 1083 (drove to Reno then road down with Alex Rademacher and crew to Blythe, CA)
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? 650-700
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? I ran in 4 different classes in 3 different championships so no telling
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 2
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? Off at Olympus ending our rally on day one. Watching a rally you are supposed to be racing at is a bummer.
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? Getting my first overall podium at Prescott. Meeting a ton of cool people all over the western side of the country and Canada.

Codriving


- How many events did you enter? 16
- How much was the least expensive event you entered? $355
- How much was the most expensive event you entered? $7000
- What was the shortest distance you traveled to an event? 12km
- What was the longest distance you traveled to an event? 3000km
- Approximately how many stage kilometers/miles did you drive this year? 3200km
- How many competitors were there in your class over the year? Tarmac rallies up to 45 in class, gravel around 10
- How many competition licenses did you need this year? 3, CAMS National Rally, AMSAG and AASA National Rally
- What was the worst thing that happened at a rally this year? Sideways into a tree at 150kmh on first stage at Bega. Seat broke and was propelled into the driver.
- What was the best thing that happened at a rally this year? 2nd outright at Rally Victoria.

Ray Baker

Wow! That's a LOT of seat time, mate!

How did you and the driver fare after Bega? I hope you were able to walk away from that one. No doubt you've got some stories to tell!

Thank you for sharing!

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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