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Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 14, 2011 06:30PM
http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2150318599.html
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 15, 2011 07:11PM
Dang, wrong side of the country...!
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 15, 2011 10:50PM
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Dang, wrong side of the country...!

To be clear..you're on the wrong side of the country cool smiley
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 15, 2011 11:12PM
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To be clear..you're on the wrong side of the country cool smiley

Whenever I make a list of good things about being on the East Coast, the list doesn't get very long. Pretty hard to call it a list actually.
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Opel / Isuzu / Kadett C
January 15, 2011 11:20PM
http://salem.craigslist.org/cto/2136901270.html
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 15, 2011 11:36PM
$2700.
You're doing it wrong.

You must find $200-400 project cars..

There's a solid reason why I push 240 Volvos and Xratties as rally project objects
a) they're relatively easy to find cars
b) the parts to keep them running are easy to get
c) core motors to build while you're beating the motor that came in it, a snap

And as half warmed up rally cars on current North American roads,

d) they'll eat an Manta A or Ascona A alive for 1/4 the money..

25 years ago that wasn't the case, then an Ascona was a wonderful bargain (especially as the cars were 100-300 bucks.)
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 15, 2011 11:47PM
I don't want it.. just knew there were some Opel pervs hiding in the bushes around here winking smiley
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 16, 2011 08:28AM
Stop going to NYC and DC and come to the mountains.....speaking of DC, I be perfectly happy to ship the whole kit & kaboodle to the west...
Thanks for the Ascona heads up anyway; hard to find good Opel bodies out this way anymore. And don't bother with the Isuzu-made Opel clones; wrong engine, drivetrain parts. etc .
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 16, 2011 08:32AM
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Dang, wrong side of the country...!

To be clear..you're on the wrong side of the country cool smiley

Well, Gene, I was actually desparately thinking of who I could store the car with while I get time to get out there, but since you're gonna have a 'tude, I guess I can neither bless you with my presence or acquisitions....Opel madness has no bounds.....
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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 16, 2011 12:05PM
Opel perv...Guilty as charged. I have 3 solid manta bodies and I called the guy.

The phone connection was very bad, but I think he said.

66,000 mi. One family car. Automatic, Clean trunk. No rust in battery box. Garage stored, but not driven for several year.



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Re: Opel Pervs, Ascona in Oregon
January 16, 2011 12:24PM
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Stop going to NYC and DC and come to the mountains.....speaking of DC, I be perfectly happy to ship the whole kit & kaboodle to the west...
Thanks for the Ascona heads up anyway; hard to find good Opel bodies out this way anymore. And don't bother with the Isuzu-made Opel clones; wrong engine, drivetrain parts. etc .

I'm in Ontario.. still no better winking smiley

I haven't seen an Ascona for sale for ages.. Mantas, GTs and early Kadetts are quite thick on the ground in comparison.

I don't understand why the Isuzu made Opel clones never caught on with anyone.. my limited understanding is the sheet metal is the same. You'd think after the MKII Escort boys got over their crush, they'd pick up one of these and turn it into a GT/E.
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Re: Opel / Isuzu / Kadett C
January 16, 2011 01:04PM
Sheesh Mark, don't dis the C. I know you are an Opel Perv, and I can't believe that you (like all the other A and B owners) are so down on the C (aka Opel/Isuzu, etc.). This is a great platform that challenged the Escort platform until 4wd started to dominate. It is an engine swap away from kicking A and B ass. Engine and drivetrain options are awesome and bulletproof.

To make it competitive, like you have to make an Escort competitive, requires 4 linking the rear axle, etc. which is a lot of fabrication, but once it is done, you will have a very competitive RWD platform. Nothing different than it was 30 years ago.

While the Opel/Isuzu is the exact same chassis as the C, the US Chevette is very similar, regardless of the propaganda you have seen elsewhere. I know, I've done the research.

Think about dropping in the driveline from the Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice. 240 hp in an 1800 lb chassis.

Bunch of blind men here dissing this chassis and its potential.

My .02

Happy New Year.

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Re: Opel / Isuzu / Kadett C
January 16, 2011 09:18PM
Wooo, cool down there, Wilson. I love the Kadett C, but not the Isuzu version. My point was that they are not the same; not the same engine if one wants to have a decent engine to work as it came in the car.

Also, the one thing I have noticed about the Isuzu version is that it seems to have the same very poor adhering paint/prep systems that the Colts and Arrows had in the 70's, and rusts out like crazy in most cases; one pin hole in the surface, the moisture gets under the poor paint system and you get rust from the outside-in and topside-down. If the chassis is identical, then I suppose you could start with a clean chassis and drop in all the good stuff from Europe.

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Re: Opel / Isuzu / Kadett C
January 16, 2011 09:42PM
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Sheesh Mark, don't dis the C. I know you are an Opel Perv, and I can't believe that you (like all the other A and B owners) are so down on the C (aka Opel/Isuzu, etc.). This is a great platform that challenged the Escort platform until 4wd started to dominate. It is an engine swap away from kicking A and B ass. Engine and drivetrain options are awesome and bulletproof.

Wilson, I lurv ya but: WRONG.
Opels glory rides on specifically the work the Swedes did to set the spec for the Group 1 Ascona B. It was the Ascona or Manta A chassi, definately not the little Kadett C which was VERY LIMITED in what it did.
It was the one model of Asconas which were sold road legal---and by '75 it was already important that things were EMISSIONS exempted-----with a 2,0 CIH motor and 2 x 45 Solex ADDHE side draft carbies stock.

Like Ford with a run of 2,0 Pinto engined Escorts with 2 x 44 IDFs, and some crazy Fiats, they all made the cars in a big enough series to be able to run the cars in Group 1---more or less the same rules set as Group N.

This let folks have a near winning car in the popular Group1 class.

The Ascona 400 with the beautiful (don't tell! former Beford Blitz diesel block) Cosworth 16v in 2,4 liter guise carried the battle on---when works Fords were retired post 1980 and that morphed into the Manta 400---both built to Group 4 spec.

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To make it competitive, like you have to make an Escort competitive, requires 4 linking the rear axle, etc. which is a lot of fabrication, but once it is done, you will have a very competitive RWD platform. Nothing different than it was 30 years ago.

For you little Kadett to be "competitive" you should do as smarties did and choose events with veery narrow, very twisty roads where winner's average speeds are in the 70-75 km/hr range. I'd suggest any French event in the SE

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While the Opel/Isuzu is the exact same chassis as the C, the US Chevette is very similar, regardless of the propaganda you have seen elsewhere. I know, I've done the research.

Sure, its more or less a Kadett B.
Too narrow, too short, too cramped for typical "grain fed boys" in 'Merikah

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Think about dropping in the driveline from the Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice. 240 hp in an 1800 lb chassis.

Bunch of blind men here dissing this chassis and its potential.

My .02

Happy New Year.

Wilson

Sorry Wilson, horse for courses.
If more events had roads like some of those old Cherokee squiggly ass roads, that MIGHT be one thing.

But when the roads are so staright that first/second year guys in barely warmed up Golves average 80 mph---what is the point of a narrow, short nimble car?

And Happy New Year.
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Re: Opel / Isuzu / Kadett C
January 17, 2011 10:08AM
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The Ascona 400 with the beautiful (don't tell! former Beford Blitz diesel block) Cosworth 16v in 2,4 liter guise carried the battle on---when works Fords were retired post 1980 and that morphed into the Manta 400---both built to Group 4 spec.

Urban myth I'm afraid! The Ascona/Manta 400 blocks were cast as vehicle-specific, but they were not diesel blocks. Diesel block are WAYYY taller (like an inch) and would allow for some pretty long rods, but the 400 blocks didn't have them.

Prototypes were diesel-based perhaps, but the ones I've seen in person had the same deck height as the regular CIH engines.

A few guys these days build crazy hybrids by boring a diesel 2.3 block from 92 mm up to 98 mm, and fit an offset-ground and lightened diesel crankshaft into it with long rods and custom pistons, then chop a gasoline-fueled 3.0 litre 24-valve 6 cylinder head down to 4 cylinders and fit it with billet cams. Of course the normal ITB's and associated stuff. 2.7 litres with 330-340 hp is typical.
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