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John Vanlandingham Infallible Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Buren is talking all kinds of crazy talk about a Ford 5,0 V8.... How can we do a Group Intervention and beat some sense into his head? Hey Gene, what's the different Corporation rules on non related motors---A Ford has NO CONNECTION to a Volvo car. He seems to think they make power stock when we all know a turbo 2,3 would make the amount and the sort of power than has been proven ideal in the last 25 years of WRC....and since it came in the gawddamn things, be DROP-IN. V8s---  
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Banned Elite Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Ford bought Volvo in 1999. RA rules are a bit liberal and on a regional level he only has to prove the lamest of connections, so he's good in my book. The 5.0 is a huge performer and lots of easy, cheap add ons. The 4.6 family has as much or more and with an aluminum block option weight isn't a big issue. 300 hp in the blink of an eye, low end torque, absolute reliability. Personally I'd likely stuff a Chev 4.3 in one. Having NA power that equals turbo power makes NA the winner. Easier to tune, less heat issues, no seals to fail, no turbine wheels to shatter and a bunch of other issues that kill turbo cars. |
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John Vanlandingham Infallible Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
So Ford buying Volvo---which they have since sold---neeener neeener, Ford buying Volvo gawd knows how many years after the car was made "qualifies'. Ok but now Ford SOLD Volvo, so it suddenly doesn't. And gene sorry but looking at OEM to OEM the 5,0 stuff is way wimpier than the Volvo parts, especially crank, rods, pistons. And to build a GOOD motor, which I know you CAN build good 5.0 means just to match the Volvo you have to buy exactly twice the parts: 8 pistons, 8 rods, 16 valve, bore 8 holes etc when this talk of 300 is POINTLESS. My point is we saw a 740 turbo with an extremely mild build beat all but the hired British and the buy a ride SRTUSA trust fund kids. We see Tom Buress match and beat John Lane with a mild 2,0 16v VW. We saw plenty of people with smaller stuff spank Utecht badly in Idaho. Back in the early 90s Halliday in the V8 was spanked by a Ford V thing w only half as many cylinders and 1/3 the size. What the fuck is the point of V8? |
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Banned Elite Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Utecht wasn't 'on' at Idaho, that car in his hands or Hursts was normally way fast, but that was very hard to drive as it was over 400 hp and could break the tires loose on a straight in high gear. Idaho has a very unique road surface that looks like gravel but is a very slick granite (?) dust...spooky stuff. The other 2 V8s were having issues also. Some days is like that. The fastest guy going in isn't guaranteed a win, ever. Halliday was slow, engine had nothing to do with it. I beat that car with a 1500cc Datsun more than once. The V8 stock has about as much grunt as a turboed massaged Volvo 4. He may or may not need to buy rods, pistons and valves. We don't know the specs. Many times it is cheaper to buy 8 whatevers for a Ford or Chev 8 than an import 4. He may be running a stock take-out with 60k on the clock. A store bought reman can likely be had for around $1000 some days. You fail to take in account driver ability, road conditions and luck of the day. Results aren't always a true picture of the events leading to them. Also remember there are plenty of Chevy and Ford valve covers that say Volvo on them....all the way from 2.5 ltrs up to 502 cid I believe. At the end of the day it is Charles' build, Charles' choice. The prize money is the same with either engine.... |
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Sean Medcroft Ultra Moderator Location: Edmonds, Washington Join Date: 02/12/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,802 Rally Car: Building a Merkur |
John Vanlandingham Infallible Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
But that's only 130-150 lbs more than a Volvo for no more power, no more ft/lbs and a bunch of fab to accomplish nothing. Come oooooooooon! Veeeeeeeeee Eight man!
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Monika Hawkinson Infallible Moderator Location: Seattle Join Date: 12/18/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 240 Rally Car: 2006 Tacoma |
Who are you trying to convince, and what are you trying to convince them of?
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