http://www.youtube.com/user/JMLatvalaFan#p/u/1/qLxOXq6ZDhQ

clearly i'm not in any kind of loop here and the fact I was half way through the first video before i even noticed it, but where the hell are the other cars. subaru, mitsubishi, anything other then a ford or citron.

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"Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty"

Well, Ford and Citroen are the only cars in the WRC class, except maybe 1 privateer Subaru.

There are a few Skoda in the S2000 class.

in wrc there are only Ford and Citroen, Mini will be joining in on the fun as well.

S2000 has Ford and Skoda competing

and PWRC has all your normal groupN cars, Mexico is not a PWRC event how ever so all those boys are not there.

Matt, you must have missed out on Subaru losing every event a few years back and then wisely deciding not to continue. It sure would be nice if a few more manufacturers got in the fray with competitive machinery though.

I believe that VW is going to be bringing out an s2000 car next year

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hudson
Matt, you must have missed out on Subaru losing every event a few years back and then wisely deciding not to continue. It sure would be nice if a few more manufacturers got in the fray with competitive machinery though.

yeah i must have. i haven't kept up on the WRC stuff to much. When it was on, I think the speed channel years ago, i used to tivo it. but now just no time to keep up with everything.

but it is kind of sad to see it dwindling down to this few of manufactures.

hopefully it will bounce back some day.

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"Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty"

I think the new formula will bring a few back, it's definitely a lot cheaper. It will be up to three soon enough with BMW entering the Mini which has been done up by Prodrive, the same company that made the Subarus.

I don't know why the last WRC Subaru was so horrid. It was simply not competitive. I have a vague memory that they had the wrong tire brand. But the hatch Subaru should have been more aerodynamic than the sedan, and the layout was the same.

btw, you can download the races and watch at your leisure

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hudson
I don't know why the last WRC Subaru was so horrid. It was simply not competitive. I have a vague memory that they had the wrong tire brand. But the hatch Subaru should have been more aerodynamic than the sedan, and the layout was the same.

I've read that when first released the hatchback had nearly zero rear suspension travel. And the drivers complained. Subaru backed out of the WRC. later they worked it out w/ a new rear girdle by ExE-TC, I believe it's the same piece of kit the VT cars use.

I didn't think the new wrc was going to be fun to watch at all, but it's great! the drivers having to find the gear changer makes things spicy. Seb vs Seb in mexico is intense, I wan't to see Loeb lose.



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Sean Edwards
I've read that when first released the hatchback had nearly zero rear suspension travel. And the drivers complained. Subaru backed out of the WRC. later they worked it out w/ a new rear girdle by ExE-TC, I believe it's the same piece of kit the VT cars use.

That's Prodrives and Subarus fault. Didn't the engineers at either place realize they were making a rally car? I remember that for the subarus to come close to the pointy end of the stick they were flying literally all over the place (and tended to ball the car up massively). That theory holds some water.

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Sean Edwards
I didn't think the new wrc was going to be fun to watch at all, but it's great! the drivers having to find the gear changer makes things spicy. Seb vs Seb in mexico is intense, I wan't to see Loeb lose.

Me neither, for some reason I had it in my head that they would be slow and boring. I didn't know about the locked center diff however, which combined with the shorter wheelbase makes for some twitchy nervous cars. A far cry from the amazingly sure footed cars of yesteryear. The Ford I think nearly has a SQUARE foot print! Talk about something that wants to turn.

Oh, and I think everyone wants to see Loeb lose.

I remember reading a comment by someone at Prodrive who said that the leader of the WRC design team had an F1 back ground. He left or was fired but by then the damage had been done. In other words, the design flaws had been homologated. If anyone has more or better information about this I would be interested to hear it.

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"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

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hudson
Oh, and I think everyone wants to see Loeb lose.

with the other Seb having an off this morning, i don't think this is the weekend where we will see that happen.

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I remember reading a comment by someone at Prodrive who said that the leader of the WRC design team had an F1 back ground. He left or was fired but by then the damage had been done. In other words, the design flaws had been homologated. If anyone has more or better information about this I would be interested to hear it.

How did NO ONE catch that? Should there not be a _basic_ check list, X+" of travel being one of them.