Seems like they were working this weekend:

1st Group 5 Martin Walter/ Ferd T.

1st Group 2 Ian Topping / Jeff Secor

BTW, Martin and Ferd took 19.6s off the AWD car that ran immediately ahead of them on the last stage (A8) and had the 3rd fastest time on that stage! The stage was just under 20km so that is approx. 1s per km.

http://www.mlrc.ca/blackbear/results/BlackBear2011Press0.htm



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Sorry to shit in your Cheerios, but weren't they the only finishers in their classes? Kocandrle was killin' G2 before he went out with transmission problems after the 2nd stage. Walter/Trauttmansdorff were consistently winning the G5 stages though.

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Sorry to shit in your Cheerios, but weren't they the only finishers in their classes? Kocandrle was killin' G2 before he went out with transmission problems after the 2nd stage. Walter/Trauttmansdorff were consistently winning the G5 stages though.

Gee, Little Miss Billy Sunshine, so he was killing....before he DID NOT FINISH the 2nd Stageat maximum attack, well ain't that special?

Topping, bless his little pointy head,
didn't have any tranny problems maybe because he has a nice Borg Warner T5 from a Camaro V8 which means he probably will NEVER DNF from tranny problems evar, much less somewhere after the SECOND STAGE!!!

Sounds like he was killing ------the transmission.

Not positive, but I think the Narinis who won overall might still be on JVAB Sooper Bitchin Suspenders.

That's be pretty cool: JVAB Suspenders winning overall and Gp2 and Gp5..

Pretty gawddam good for a one man shop

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Really?

'Winning G2' is an accomplishment when the only car in the event you beat was because of time penalties and your pace was ~22 sec/mile slower than the fastest car there, ~18.75sec/mile slower than the event winner, 17.9sec/mile slower than the fastest PGT car and ~11sec/mile slower than slowest PGT car to finish the event? (Not to mention >8sec/mile slower than the fastest G2 car in the field)

I'm not trying to take a swipe at Ian or Jeff on this in anyway. We all start somewhere and seat time builds confidence and speed. I just don't think this is a 'selling point' type of performance. (OK, a class win is a class win... but...)

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Really?

'Winning G2' is an accomplishment when the only car in the event you beat was because of time penalties and your pace was ~22 sec/mile slower than the fastest car there, ~18.75sec/mile slower than the event winner, 17.9sec/mile slower than the fastest PGT car and ~11sec/mile slower than slowest PGT car to finish the event? (Not to mention >8sec/mile slower than the fastest G2 car in the field)

I'm not trying to take a swipe at Ian or Jeff on this in anyway. We all start somewhere and seat time builds confidence and speed. I just don't think this is a 'selling point' type of performance. (OK, a class win is a class win... but...)

You said it better than I did. Thanks.

First off, Keith, shut the fuck uo, you are being a douche bag.

If John started this thread, then maybe I could see you getting your knickers in a twist, but he did not. Someone else did. Someone else is happy and proud of some great guys who run suspension built by John. Part of rallying is prepping a strong, reliable safe car, and John has helped countless people do that affordably, including me.

I don't ever get involved in these pissing matches, but you are a serious troll. So why don't you knock it off.

Also, last I heard, Ian is running Hot Bits? Just sayin'

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Really?

'Winning G2' is an accomplishment when the only car in the event you beat was because of time penalties and your pace was ~22 sec/mile slower than the fastest car there, ~18.75sec/mile slower than the event winner, 17.9sec/mile slower than the fastest PGT car and ~11sec/mile slower than slowest PGT car to finish the event? (Not to mention >8sec/mile slower than the fastest G2 car in the field)

I'm not trying to take a swipe at Ian or Jeff on this in anyway. We all start somewhere and seat time builds confidence and speed. I just don't think this is a 'selling point' type of performance. (OK, a class win is a class win... but...)

You said it better than I did. Thanks.

Billy, I don't know you. But I'll say this, Morrison the Trolls standard line; what did YOU do at this event? Hows your Honda doing?
As far as i know IAN's car is ticking along something like Sean's Xratty was doing: rally, wash. Rally, wash, rally , wash, rally wash.
He's in Norfolk, VA in the Navy now, car is in Michigan. Not a lot of time to drive in between, not a lot of time to tinker..


Maybe he's trying to pile up some miles, ya know? thinking long term??


You want to shit all over somebody who actually went to the event and drove their car?
Isn't that what we have our beloved Special Stage for?
The home of the armchair rally-hero?

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First off, Keith, shut the fuck uo, you are being a douche bag.

I had written a response earlier but chose to not post it.
Patronizing someone by congratulating them for a well off pace performance is certainly not any way to support them or help them grow.
EVERYONE knows they backed into the class win - especially them!

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If John started this thread, then maybe I could see you getting your knickers in a twist, but he did not. Someone else did.

You are trying to perpetuate the myth that I have some sort of mission to discredit or otherwise 'hurt' John. That's simply not the case.

Results without context are fairly useless to understanding or improving your performance.

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First off, Keith, shut the fuck uo, you are being a douche bag.

I had written a response earlier but chose to not post it.
Patronizing someone by congratulating them for a well off pace performance is certainly not any way to support them or help them grow.
EVERYONE knows they backed into the class win - especially them!

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If John started this thread, then maybe I could see you getting your knickers in a twist, but he did not. Someone else did.

You are trying to perpetuate the myth that I have some sort of mission to discredit or otherwise 'hurt' John. That's simply not the case.

Results without context are fairly useless to understanding or improving your performance.

You know, I sure wish you'd grow the fuck up, cause you are, simply put. an asshole as a human.
A piece of shit.
Go start your own thread to lecture us all ON CONTEXT, cocksucker,.

Cause this isn't the place for your wisdom....

When you start your thread, be sure you give us links to all your results and sec/km analysis of why you are such a great driver.

Context, you clod.

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Billy points out a simple fact and then much butthurt ensues. Anarchy sure is hard core.



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'Winning G2' is an accomplishment when ...

It's always an accomplishment. FINISHING an event is an accomplishment, and since you must finish to win, that puts winning a class under practically any circumstances as an accomplishment. I suppose the exception would be something like if you cancelled all stages and based the rally only on a superspecial, which only ran once, under muddy conditions.

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Billy points out a simple fact and then much butthurt ensues. Anarchy sure is hard core.

No, Billyee whined and sniped at somebody results who finished an event he couldn't be troubled to enter, and bragged--taunted even, about somebody who only made it 2 stages before dropping out.

Then our resident troll has to spew crap,evidently unconsciously unaware of how out of context his oral-diarrhea is THIS THREAD, demonstrated what a pig of a human he is by blabberring all about why entering and finishing the rally was worthy of not even a little compliment, an event that as far as we know, he couldn't be troubled to drive in either..

Odd : why should Billyee and Morison be so butthurt about another finishing an event?


Do they so want to argue the counter-position to anything I ever say that they must disagree---and post about it---even a simple little compliment.


Do you know Billyee?
Talk to him, explain his errors to him, suggest he apologizes to Ian and to everybody else, it's show he's not a unthinking jerk.

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Billy, I don't know you. But I'll say this, Morrison the Trolls standard line; what did YOU do at this event? Hows your Honda doing?
As far as i know IAN's car is ticking along something like Sean's Xratty was doing: rally, wash. Rally, wash, rally , wash, rally wash.
He's in Norfolk, VA in the Navy now, car is in Michigan. Not a lot of time to drive in between, not a lot of time to tinker..

Maybe he's trying to pile up some miles, ya know? thinking long term??

You want to shit all over somebody who actually went to the event and drove their car?
Isn't that what we have our beloved Special Stage for?
The home of the armchair rally-hero?

My Honda is fine. Last event I finished first overall (was 6 minutes ahead of 2nd place 2WD car) for day 1's event. Started the second day and hit a tree so I'm in the process of finding a donor shell to get parts for the repair. I'm sure you'll blame my crash on my Hot Bits or something?

Don't know if Ian would like you speaking for him on how he's driving the car. He's got Ryan at TRF to do all the tinkering on his car. When's Ian's next event? If he's running LSPR as his next, we're both on track for the same ammount of events this year.

I'm not shitting on Ian for the event, let alone for finishing. Sure, I got last place on 2nd day at Rally TN for crashing. Shit happens in rally and when you're pushing you have a higher chance of things to bite you. I get a chuckle when someone else said his result and class win is from running JVAB stuff, when he's on Hot Bits suspension.

Holy Crap John. Talk about spinning my post beyond recognition!
Let me remind you:

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I'm not trying to take a swipe at Ian or Jeff on this in anyway. We all start somewhere and seat time builds confidence and speed. I just don't think this is a 'selling point' type of performance. (OK, a class win is a class win... but...)

As for the context of the thread:

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Topic Name Sooper B Suspensions at Black Bear
Seems like they were working this weekend:
1st Group 5 Martin Walter/ Ferd T.
1st Group 2 Ian Topping / Jeff Secor

My only point was that the 1st G2 pace wasn't exactly one that would challenge the suspension or show if it was 'working' or not. It isn't the kind of pace that would make people want to know what kind of suspenders he was using to smooth out the road.



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