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Now to say that i do not know what I'm talking about is kind of an insult.

i dont think anyone said that. grant just doesnt think a focus is a great starter. i dont either, but that is mainly due to the high cost of the shell.

Ah, im sorry i misread the comment. yes i agree, but thats why the svt was good, ran just the way it was. I think this mustang may be a good build.

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Now to say that i do not know what I'm talking about is kind of an insult.

i dont think anyone said that. grant just doesnt think a focus is a great starter. i dont either, but that is mainly due to the high cost of the shell.

Ah, im sorry i misread the comment. yes i agree, but thats why the svt was good, ran just the way it was. I think this mustang may be a good build.

from what i have learned by talking to others is that the mustang is cheap to build and maintain. parts can be found anywhere. easy to make big v-8 power. cheap gear ratios for the transmissions and rear ends.

however, the shell will need some good reinforcing and needs a good sturdy cage. you can also get by with out rally tires on it in MN. utecht ran nokian vatiiva truck tires on his with great success.

it aint perfect, but hell, what is?

another friend in bismarck (Bob LaFavor) is building one too. he has run it with a 4 banger in it to be able to qualify to run in G5 and just recently put the V-8 back in.



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noice!

yeah we will see what happens tonight on the stang

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Ok, so why the duratec motor? Why not the 6 speed SVT with turbo? The zx3 is... lacking compared to the svt from factory. My friend from the ford dealer told me to get an svt, keep it fwd and use ford racing parts from the dealer.

SVT was a couple of year, only a few units thing ---that generates HUGE PROBLEMS, since there are LIMITED SPARES and TONS OF UNIQUE SHIT.

A) sorry your friend knows NOTHING

SVT is a fucking DOG. It is a lame head on a CVH bottom end.
It can be made to make some power, eventually, but since it is a tarted up CVH and has stupid variable cam bullshit, it will always cost more to make the power the much nicer design Duratec can make easier, thus cheaper.

There is effectively NOTHING available for the SVT gearbox.

Even for the MTX75 alternative ratios are INSANELY expensive.
$4202 plus freight, plus labor for the base gear set and bad twirly gear type diff.



That's just addressing the built in problems of the Fuckus.

No time now to adress the total fiction of the advice learn to drive fwd first then---

Wait! Why are they saying that, WHY? Have they all learned to rally and make good results first in FWD? Then they learned AWD and made good results in AWD? What are their names, what events did they do?

Or are they just talking smack?

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Ok guys. Serious Q. Before I buy this stang... is it ok for A NEW. Driver to enter a scca rally with a rwd car? I found no limitations on the 2011 regulations as per vehicle per an entry level novice.

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Ok guys. Serious Q. Before I buy this stang... is it ok for A NEW. Driver to enter a scca rally with a rwd car? I found no limitations on the 2011 regulations as per vehicle per an entry level novice.

no there are no restricions on entering SCCA rally events.

however, SCCA no longer sanctions stage/performance rally. SCCA only does rallycross (one car at a time no jumps not the stuff on espn) and Time Speed and Distance (TSD) rallies. TSD are in stock cars on open roads following a predetermined route while obeying ALL the rules of the road and arriving exactly on time at the predetermined check points.

Rally America will not let a novice driver into a Group 5 or Open Class rally car.

you would have to put a small v-6 or 4 cyl. into that mustang to be legal for Rally America Stage Rally.

the only rook drivetrain layout restrictions are for AWD and Turbo. so no big V-8 and no turbos for rookies. but you can run a AWD non turbo car.


rookie=non turbo awd, small displacement/non turbo 2wd (either FWD or RWD).


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yes, he could do whatever he wants in NASA. however, the closest NASA race is Idaho. granted that isnt far but there are 8 RA events just in MN over 4 weekends. well, 6 over 3 now but who's counting.



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Just out of curiosity, what motor would you put in a mustang for G2?

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Just out of curiosity, what motor would you put in a mustang for G2?

a small one?

probably either the 2.8 V6 or a 2.3 I4. with how heavy the car is i think you can go up to 3.0 with the "new" G2 weight/displacement rules.

i think Bob Lafavor used a I4, he did not enjoy it too much. but it was a means to an end and now it has a V8 in it.



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Just out of curiosity, what motor would you put in a mustang for G2?

Lima 2.3 with BIG valves and LUMP-o-sis cam--big 48s ITBs
Lima 2.3 with Volvo 16v head with lump-ity-lump cams and 48s
Lima 2,3 with Volvo 16v with big 38mm or 39mm intakes, lumpity cams and 50s---a little chamber welding for more quench, this would be for north of 265 bhp*

Duratec 2.3 with rods, and cams and ITBs~~235 bhp


*wanna see piccies?

All better power delivery than the un-0creative "drop a (hulking pig iron-not very strong un-built) V8. (groan)


All of those would be easy and cheaper than fucking around with junk, but not as cheap as turbo.

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

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I cannot find aftermarket kits for the life of me

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and that I have a fighting chance to find body kits out there.

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Look at that. Body kits, rims, springs.. you name it.

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(paint, body kit, suspension, brakes, tranny, engine, etc)

What is all this talk about body kits for?

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Just out of curiosity, what motor would you put in a mustang for G2?

Lima 2.3 with BIG valves and LUMP-o-sis cam--big 48s ITBs
Lima 2.3 with Volvo 16v head with lump-ity-lump cams and 48s
Lima 2,3 with Volvo 16v with big 38mm or 39mm intakes, lumpity cams and 50s---a little chamber welding for more quench, this would be for north of 265 bhp*

Duratec 2.3 with rods, and cams and ITBs~~235 bhp


*wanna see piccies?

All better power delivery than the un-0creative "drop a (hulking pig iron-not very strong un-built) V8. (groan)


All of those would be easy and cheaper than fucking around with junk, but not as cheap as turbo.

what he said.

i would love to see pics of Lima 2.3 with Volvo 16v with big 38mm or 39mm intakes, lumpity cams and 50s---a little chamber welding for more quench, this would be for north of 265 bhp* as well as hear more about it.

please and thank you.



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*wanna see piccies?

Yeah. Of course I do.

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I cannot find aftermarket kits for the life of me

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and that I have a fighting chance to find body kits out there.

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Look at that. Body kits, rims, springs.. you name it.

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(paint, body kit, suspension, brakes, tranny, engine, etc)

What is all this talk about body kits for?

i was choosing to ignore that particular elephant in the room.

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I cannot find aftermarket kits for the life of me

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and that I have a fighting chance to find body kits out there.

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Look at that. Body kits, rims, springs.. you name it.

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(paint, body kit, suspension, brakes, tranny, engine, etc)

What is all this talk about body kits for?

i was choosing to ignore that particular elephant in the room.

I think its kind of important because this guy is looking for a car to build in to a rally car. One of his criteria appears to be the availability of body kits for this car. This leads me to believe that he doesnt have much of an idea of what makes a good rally car a good rally car, so perhaps some more advice is in order to get him looking in the right direction.

Things like strength, availability of parts (both regular things like windshields and go fast bits like good gearing, good diffs, etc), balance, power, etc are all very important for a rally car. Even interior space ranks well above the availability of body kits for choosing a car as a rally car. What I'm saying is, forget what you may know about other types of car racing. Look at what it takes to make a good 2wd rally car. Look at the ford motorsport books for the original escorts, the xr4, and even the fwd escort. Look at the information available from vwmotorsport about their rally cars. Look to see what types of features these cars all have in common and you will start to see what makes a good rally car a good rally car. Body kits need not apply.

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I cannot find aftermarket kits for the life of me

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and that I have a fighting chance to find body kits out there.

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Look at that. Body kits, rims, springs.. you name it.

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(paint, body kit, suspension, brakes, tranny, engine, etc)

What is all this talk about body kits for?

i was choosing to ignore that particular elephant in the room.

I think its kind of important because this guy is looking for a car to build in to a rally car. One of his criteria appears to be the availability of body kits for this car. This leads me to believe that he doesnt have much of an idea of what makes a good rally car a good rally car, so perhaps some more advice is in order to get him looking in the right direction.

Things like strength, availability of parts (both regular things like windshields and go fast bits like good gearing, good diffs, etc), balance, power, etc are all very important for a rally car. Even interior space ranks well above the availability of body kits for choosing a car as a rally car. What I'm saying is, forget what you may know about other types of car racing. Look at what it takes to make a good 2wd rally car. Look at the ford motorsport books for the original escorts, the xr4, and even the fwd escort. Look at the information available from vwmotorsport about their rally cars. Look to see what types of features these cars all have in common and you will start to see what makes a good rally car a good rally car. Body kits need not apply.

i meant i wasnt going to comment on it and just focus on the stuff that you brought up. we have all mentioned most of that stuff. just quietly guide him away from the appearance stuff and let him come to realize it isnt needed. i thought he might have picked up on it when we suggested flying bricks and 80s pony cars. he seemed malleable since he moved away from the audi gt coupe.

i have come to learn that it is better to build the car around the drivetrain rather than the favorite brand. that being said i am currently building a Open Light subaru impreza because we want AWD and they are so damn easy to take car of. next car i will be looking for is a volvo.

dont spend money on body kits unless you need fender flares to cover up the tires. or you are rallying a MkII Escort.

Patrick,

Body kits will get ripped off. Money spent on a body kit is money you cant spend on tires.



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