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Morison
In the proposed budget I don't see any allowance for onsite standby EMS or first aid support.

The medical coverage needed varies based on the local layout.

Give me a call, I'd be happy to talk about it: 919.697.5282

Anders
ps: Our insurance is good in Canada too...

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Carl S
So each person gets a total of 12 runs?

Yup, that's the plan. We'll see how well it works and fine tune as we go.

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Carl S
Am I following this correctly so far? If you have 15 entries is that 180 passes total for the road? 360 passes for the 30 entry limit?

Yeah. It would wreck a soft road, not be to bad on a hard road, and not be noticed on tarmac. I'm not worried about what happens at 30 cars... once there is a community that active, you just expand it to multiple stages.

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Does each driver run the stage down, turn around, and run it right back up?

Turnarounds. So multi-driver cars would swap out after a down and back. It gets a little confusing and there would be some time in the make-up session for multi-driver cars. It's not perfectly fair because conditions or weather could change, but that's the choice that the multi-drivers make.

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I think adding on-site medical and road use fees to your sample budget would eat up the example profit pretty quick.

Those fees vary widely all around the country, and are zero in some places, very expensive in others. Since they are changeable and negotiated, there's no way to predict what they might be. The program will be awesome in some places, and unworkable in others. But that's no different than any other rally budget.

Cheers!
Anders

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This is great! Makes organizing at a spot I have been thinking much more do-able now. Time to get the ball rolling I guess

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NoCoast
I've considered if I organize having only two classes. Open Light and 2WD. Partially to reduce road abuse.

With the way a lot of turbo AWD drivers drive, I would be more worried about the 2wd cars tearing up the road...

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Anders Green

Cheers!
Anders

Thanks for the answers!

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Dazed_Driver
With the way a lot of turbo AWD drivers drive, I would be more worried about the 2wd cars tearing up the road...

So so true.
It's also my belief that Open Class/turbo AWD is not sustainable for privateers. I'll lose a few competitors at first but if they are real rallyists, they'll come around.

The CHCA events have had almost no participation this year in AWD rally. Jeff Regester's car has some monster engine with a rumored $30k dogbox. I would rather see ten-twenty people in 160 hp Subarus battling within seconds than see who has the biggest inheritance, construction company, or credit line.
Someone asked me if I had a good video with anti-lag from one of the events I've been to. I told the truth. I have no clue because I have never watched a single clip of an open class car aside from Block's wreck at NEFR. I just don't care about the class in any way shape or form.

For tarmac, if I were in Oregon/Washington State, I'd look at the Mary Hills Loops Road:



If I were in Memphis, I'd look at the T1G track in West Memphis:


If I were in NC/VA, I'd look at US Training Center's (f/k/a Blackwater) track in Moyock, NC:


This may be worth looking in Colorado: http://csp.state.co.us/drivertraining.html

Minnesota: http://www.dctc.edu/continuing-education/rent-our-track.cfm

CSP track is not.
Tarmac is even more so not. In my opinion. Not worth even considering for me.

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NoCoast
CSP track is not.
Tarmac is even more so not. In my opinion. Not worth even considering for me.

Track looked like the weak sister.

Tarmac is fun, doesn't get damaged, and is easy on cars - you don't know what you are missing.

In Iowa: http://www.chuckbrandt.com/greenwood.htm

Abandoned subdivision in Rio Vista, California:


Southwest Florida:


Don't have a picture, but Como Colorado looks like it may have preplatted dirt roads with no development. May be worth a look.

We had a hill climb in Hartsel, CO a few years ago in an undeveloped but dirt roaded development.
I have a compiling list of many such places, around ten of them, all being listed by one realtor all within 4 hours of Denver.
Here is one such place:
http://maps.google.com/maps?msid=213060030801175483604.0004a6cd7fc1f7d81ceb9&msa=0&ll=37.120427,-104.578214&spn=0.021011,0.052314&t=h&z=15

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Anders Green

ps: Our insurance is good in Canada too...

Can you elaborate on this a bit more? My car club (www.qcma.og) LOVES the dirt, and the prospect of running a rally sprint would be AWESOME. The logistics of a full on regional CARS event hasn't been possible due to our small participant base, but something like this would really grow the base here for sure. (AND incentive to get some local caged cars fir for rally)

So could a Canadian club affiliate with NASA Rallysport - or is there an agreement between NASA and CARS?

I don't want to step on any sanctioning body toes - but this definitely sounds doable to me if we can get the insurance ironed out.

Rabin

Rabin,

Organise it under CARS sanction. (QCMA's affiliation with WCMA and CARS pretty much stops you from insuring under NASA.) Besides, Insurance for a rally sprint event under CARS is $775.($5million spectator liability, $5million participant liability, inclusion of landowner and volunteers as additional insured plus participant injury coverage)

Rallysprint rules are in the CARS rule book

The Atlantic region (ARMS) has worked a deal with the CARS board for a 'per-entry fee' similar to, but much lower than, the stage rally events. (this helps set a predictable budget since you know what the insurance cost per car will be.) That would have to be discussed and approved by the board, but with the ARMS precedent... should be a slam dunk. (I think it is $35/entry so a 10 entry field would be $350 TOTAL insurance bill to the event... but you have to make the 'deal' with CARS first... even at $775 over 6 entries - 3 shared cars - is $130/car, leaving you $120/car for other costs.)

For the competitors, Rally Sprints only require a region issued 'basic' licence (for now) so no medical, no first aid just membership in an affiliated club and a handful of dollars. Driving suits are also 'recommended' but not required. HANS devices are also not required but are highly recommended. (I'd expect to see this change fairly soon.)

Talk to your CARS region Director (Eric Grochowski - Rallywest@CARSRally.ca) or send me a note. I'd be more than happy to help out any way I can.

Rallywest has an inventory of sign boards for loan (or a set or two for permanent loan I'd suspect.) There is also the electronic timing gear that can be made available at a reasonable rate and TONS of organizational experience.

Show me your roads!

Is it the McLean Campground I'm thinking of?
2 miles east of McLean and one mile south of the Trans Canada? Does that still exist and is it still abandoned?
Short, under 3K, route in there if they are passable



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Sounds like how the Doo Wops started out in 1988.

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wvonkessler

If I were in NC/VA, I'd look at US Training Center's (f/k/a Blackwater) track in Moyock, NC:

This looks interesting. Place is set up for events. Even has on-site lodging available. Claim over 3 miles of road with a big variety of corners.

I had been thinking of another location for a sprint bt this looks like fun.