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Hi Dave,
-Dave.

Hi Dave,

-The REAL Dave Clark

Don't be fooled by his fancy logo and Doivi name. That Dave Clark is not the real Dave Clark. He is a crafty doppelganger that has fooled many, blinding them to his true identity with flashy building skills and intimidating size.

Doivi is right. 740s and 940s simply DO NOT work as rally cars:








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Doivi is right. 740s and 940s simply DO NOT work as rally cars:


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Yeah I do, car reacted too slowly from the semi-trailer length and they plowed straight off. Too bad

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I understand that everyone has a preference in cars. I respect that. It should also be respected that I have the car that I wish to use for rally. And instead of trying to convince me to use a different car, why not give me some useful information on what I should do for my car.

And plus, its not the Car, its the Driver.

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I understand that everyone has a preference in cars. I respect that. It should also be respected that I have the car that I wish to use for rally. And instead of trying to convince me to use a different car, why not give me some useful information on what I should do for my car.

And plus, its not the Car, its the Driver.

No, you're mistaken about respect. EVERYBODY is given a clean sheet of paper onto which they can write what they will.
And all we can HOPE for in life is that people give us that clean sheet..
But respect, if it is to have some meaning, and no be some pop-psychology empty words, MUST be established through work and deeds and to some extent, intentions....

You are getting the single most useful advice you can get... It is not a question of respect for you, but respect for reality that leads EVERY SINGLE serious repsonse to strongly advise you to daily drive the wagon and find a DISPOSABLE 240 to start on---and everybody has also implied that you should consider your first 'rally" car as comdemned to death sooner or later, and that you should be scouting around for "the second shell" which you build applying the knowledge gained in slamming together the first.

This isn't what you want to hear---but is IS better advice. Some of the guys posting shit showing crazy ass Swedes in insanely powerful cars are being demi-trolls. They don't give a shit what you do, and if you choose something that by its very nature will make both build and drive more difficult.

You MUST separate the fucking POS car, as all cars, even my beloved Saab 96, the coolest car in North American rally, even my Cosworth 4x4 thang are all Pieces of Shit, but you must separate criticism of the construction details of the car from criticism of you.

Look, here's 2 examples illustrating the difference:
A)
"Holy shit what a gawddamn schoolbus those fuckin 740s are with a 109" wheelbase!!! And what a fucked up morphodite one upper link POS arrangement is that! I pity the poor sunnybeach that would have to fucking try to get an axle to stay in that long enough to blow thru corners cause the pig is so gawddamn long and slow to react"


You inability to distinguish the difference between criticism of a car you just happen to have (and like) and criticism of you, and asserting that all decisions automatically should be respected is a serious problem to have when asking people for help.
C) You do not pay enough attention to the difference between "what" and "why".

One criticizes the car--and in the criticism broadly suggests the solution.
The other criticizes you.

Respect doesn't enter into either. Those were both "valueless" observations, they didn't de-value a person.

Remember Dave, I'm not a "Volvo guy".
I make the best stuff in USA for Volvos but that's because I see the 240 as all round the closest thing we have to a car like the Escort rwd: very well balance and just right sized for OUR roads used today.

It's not like i don't know about how well some people in 740s and 940s actually do in some parts of the world, but some of that is driven, just like the move to 240s, by increasing difficulty of simply finding sound shells.
They are not doing it for any particular advantage, rather by default....
when finding Ascona Bs made them insane expensive, some people weighed the costs of the car and building a copmpetitive Opel CIH motor, saw that even more power was available in Volvo b23s for 1/3 the cost and tried 240s---and within 2-3 years that was the dominant car.
Now 15 years later there just aren't as many sound 240s, so they get what they can..

YOU aren't stuck with that choice. You're stuck soley on obstinance which, speaking of respect, you don't even bother to respect those trying to help you avoid an avoidable blunder, by even attempting to discuss why in the fuck you want to build a fucking 740 wagon.

Show some respect for those who have already shown you good concrete reasons why it is flat foolish to dig your heels in and at least give what you think is the particular advantage of a limousine length car is.

(see you ask for respect, but it didn't occur to you that you are being very disrespectful, not OVERTLY, but implicitly. But you know what? Nobody worries cause most newbs do that, we all consider intent, and you're not intending to be disrespectful.)

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John Vanlandingham
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John is asolutely right, especially aout rally killing your car eventually. The 240 makes great sense. ut if you asolutely gotta uild the 740 then y all means... John is just trying to ensure that your rally days are long and troule free.

I am a disrespectful Celica driver.

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John is asolutely right, especially aout rally killing your car eventually. The 240 makes great sense. ut if you asolutely gotta uild the 740 then y all means... John is just trying to ensure that your rally days are long and troule free.

I am a disrespectful Celica driver.

Yo, dood your ears must be ringin!
Just talking to somebody with a Commoda who was mentioning Sillicars..
I said "Why not....now that we're deciding on 2.4 2Z things"
What years are these things?

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John is asolutely right, especially aout rally killing your car eventually. The 240 makes great sense. ut if you asolutely gotta uild the 740 then y all means... John is just trying to ensure that your rally days are long and troule free.

I am a disrespectful Celica driver.

Yo, dood your ears must be ringin!
Just talking to somebody with a Commoda who was mentioning Sillicars..
I said "Why not....now that we're deciding on 2.4 2Z things"
What years are these things?

early 80's.

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John is asolutely right, especially aout rally killing your car eventually. The 240 makes great sense. ut if you asolutely gotta uild the 740 then y all means... John is just trying to ensure that your rally days are long and troule free.

I am a disrespectful Celica driver.

Yo, dood your ears must be ringin!
Just talking to somebody with a Commoda who was mentioning Sillicars..
I said "Why not....now that we're deciding on 2.4 2Z things"
What years are these things?

early 80's.

Dammit I KNOW that---I've been entered in one WRC which had these entered, (and they were awesome to watch!) (after I DNFed on Smith Creek SS19 out of like 38) I was more axing what exact years this was in 'merica, mang. I don't know obscure old Toiletta road cars!

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81-85

My ol one was a 1980. My newer one is an 85. The swap doesn't sound easy, but the 2rz sounds like it would be awesome. Plus one could slap on a turbo and you'd have a "twincam turbo" just like the group B car of yor!

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My ol one was a 1980. My newer one is an 85. The swap doesn't sound easy, but the 2rz sounds like it would be awesome. Plus one could slap on a turbo and you'd have a "twincam turbo" just like the group B car of yor!

That's "yore", said with same tone as the ever popular "Yarg!"

Which is what the other guys would say when they get roosted by you witha 2rz in the car..

Blake Lind in Portland said he got one for $150.

One hundred and fawkin fifty measely buckskis.
They have 95mm bore. 95. That size bore means there's room for big valves.
I though, OK guessed 35mm intakes, nope 37.5mm stock.
That means there's valve area for all the n.a. power you could reasonably ask for.

So the motor,which comes N/S ain't the question mark. Compression and maybe cams is.
But whatever, it is where all Toiletta guys should be looking and lurking.

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John Vanlandingham
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I understand that everyone has a preference in cars. I respect that. It should also be respected that I have the car that I wish to use for rally. And instead of trying to convince me to use a different car, why not give me some useful information on what I should do for my car.

And plus, its not the Car, its the Driver.

Respectfully: lets find ONE PERSON who daily drives their rally car. I bet we won't find one. If you are really going to rally your 740 wagon, thats great, but you will either need to get a second car, or plan on riding your bike to school/work/the girlfriends house, because your wagon is going to be taken apart/crashed/so loud, rattly and harsh that you would rather ride your bike. Now there's nothing wrong with this, I have extra respect for people who can live without a daily driver. I'm a tree hugger, not a cone squisher.

As for what mods you should do, besides the biggie$ (rollcage, seats, harnesses, ) you will need suspension, JVL makes excellent and reasonably priced set up for just about any car. I have his stuff on my 240 and am very happy with it. The next item on the list is tricky: gearing. Very quickly you will realize that in the dirt there is a giant gap between 2nd and 3rd gear, the economical answer is a T5 transmission swap. Plus you need a low rear end gear ratio (like 4.88:1) since you have modest power. BUT you now run into a wall... 740 uses the 1031 or 1041 rear alxe, ring and pinions for these are only available from Sweden at $1000+. Pre '85 240 uses the 1030 axle and you can buy whatever ratio you like from the Polar Bear company for $135, but you will have to do an extensive linkage mod on a 740 to put a 1030 in there, at which point you should put a Toyota truck axle in there for strength and easy lsd diff choices.

About the respect thing: we are respectful enough to tell you all our hard won knowledge. You tell us if you really understand what you are planning on getting into.

Stage rally just costs big money, like sail boats or pretty mistresses. There is debate, but plan on $5000 to prep the car, and $1000 per event. It can be done on a budget, but you must choose the car carefully; the 240/740 ring and pinion thing will nail you for an extra $900 just for one piece as I just wrote.

Don't let me scare you off either. Right now you can take your bone stock 740 wagon and do very well/have tons of fun at rallycrosses and TSDs. Maybe throw a set of Billy HDs on there. There is a lot to learn, and it will take years, so enjoy it.

You coming to Mendo?

I dailydrove my gtx rallycar for a couple years. This was, if I can describe it in one word, stupid...

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Respectfully: lets find ONE PERSON who daily drives their rally car. I bet we won't find one.

Forget about me so soon? i gave you gas and crew and you just forget about me ? LOL J/K

I Daily drive my rally car. I've put 30,000 miles on it since it got log booked in 08. wait ... 190 - 136 = oh 54 .... so i'm probably up to 40K since it got log booked. I do own an other daily driver though, which i'm using more on the hot days lately because i love AC.

I'll be driving down to Mendocino (in my rally car) and yes driving to events is a bad idea , eventually it will end with a visa sponsored Uhual tow home. lol that's life!


but ya, once your (cheap route) $2300 in for a cage, belts and seats, and maybe 2K in for suspension , $700 in skid plate + misc , now you are 5K + welding + labor + borrowing safety gear. spending an extra $500-1000 on a car to build shouldn't be a deal breaker ...

Its your money so do what you want, but if you are going to do what ever you want, don't bother asking... if you're going to ask, then listen.



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