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NEFR 2011

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Rex Karrs
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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 09:08AM
Ted and Keith - not rough? - did you drive the southern and eastern loops of the Middle Dam stages? Most of the stages were nice, but there were sections that were old school - POR type rough. You could avoid most of the rocks, but it seemed like a rallycross with all the dodging around orange objects in the road I was doing at times. eye rolling smiley

NEFR was a shakedown for us - went into it with that attitude, finished the event, and came out with some lessons learned about the new car.

1. Stock 1980's XR4 Spatula rims are mega strong on the outer rim, mega weak on the inner. Broke (as in split apart) two rims causing flats and bent at least 3 others to the point that they still held air, but are no longer usable. All the damage was on the inner side of the rims.

2. JVAB suspension rocks. smiling smiley The suspension handled some pretty rough sections without a single complaint.

3. Need a co-driver's foot rest. Said rough sections caused co-driver to yelp a few times because he couldn't really brace himself much and took it all in the butt.

4. BFGs are worth the money. Not a single failure due to the tires. The tires that went flat due to rim failures are still good and will be reused as spares.

5. Need more power...

6. Need a limited slip...

7. Need real rally wheels...

8. Need more money (see points 5, 6 & 7). tongue sticking out smiley

9. Freakin' love this car! Handles fantastic, does exactly what you tell it to do, very stable, and a riot to drive.



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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 09:42AM
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I have a set of Saab 9000 wheels that I can part with if you want to try them out. Can deliver to Rally WV.

Matt, you've done some events with the Saab wheels, any reports, assessment, opinion, E-pinion of these 9000 wheels?

I mean if'n Tim just smashed up some Xratty wheels maybe he's all worried the Saab wheels might also be cheese-oid, ya know.

You going to West Virginia?

Any of you xratty folk use the 4x108's off an old audi? They hold up ok? I've seen the photos of what vittorio does to the cars and I'm assuming they will be alright.
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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 10:10AM
They have a smaller center bore so you have to bore them out to use them. I had some Compo TH2 17X7.5s that we used on the Audi that we drilled and were going to use on the Merkur but the wheel width combined with offset combined with coilovers meant a 1" spacer and they just looked retarded.
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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 10:23AM
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Ted and Keith - not rough? - did you drive the southern and eastern loops of the Middle Dam stages?
What I said was the roads weren't THAT rough.
I recced everything (from the back seat of a forrester) but only ran the Friday stages and one and a half corners on Saturday. It was my first time at NEFR so I'm not sure which stages were the middle dam stages. In any case... Yes, there were rough sections. Rougher than most of the roads I regularly run. But not the roughest I've run and certainly didn't live up to the expectation that was set out by the cautionary tales.
I thought the roads were fairly smooth and in relatively good shape other than a few sections that were bad. (some of the transits were the worst part actually)
Like you say, when it got rough it was all about picking your line through the rough stuff. A couple of areas were definitely about picking the lesser of two evils.
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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 11:10AM
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Rex Karrs
Ted and Keith - not rough? - did you drive the southern and eastern loops of the Middle Dam stages? Most of the stages were nice, but there were sections that were old school - POR type rough. You could avoid most of the rocks, but it seemed like a rallycross with all the dodging around orange objects in the road I was doing at times. eye rolling smiley
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Rexie ol chum, I don't know if the roads were rougher than the 3 times I did Maine as a National, don't see how the would be but I didn't think they were unusually rougher than PNW roads, it seems s-e-e-m-s every area wants to claim to be or have ROUGH roads and "the fastest drivers"...
I enjoyed the hell out of the roads, not so abrasive to the tires like the igneous rock we have out here.

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NEFR was a shakedown for us - went into it with that attitude, finished the event, and came out with some lessons learned about the new car.

1. Stock 1980's XR4 Spatula rims are mega strong on the outer rim, mega weak on the inner. Broke (as in split apart) two rims causing flats and bent at least 3 others to the point that they still held air, but are no longer usable. All the damage was on the inner side of the rims.

JEEEEZUZ!!! OK weeze gotta find sumpin. Talk to Mothra, he's good peeple.

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2. JVAB suspension rocks. smiling smiley The suspension handled some pretty rough sections without a single complaint.


Yeah for you, but I gotta figure out what Mark Piatowski is doing to murder his rear struts.

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3. Need a co-driver's foot rest. Said rough sections caused co-driver to yelp a few times because he couldn't really brace himself much and took it all in the butt.

Yeah, I built one out of t semi-truck step (ya know to climb up into the cab).
Nice perforated aluminum designed for grip.
My old Saab doesn't have a tunnel and I have had the old Original Dave Clark's size 14 Doc marten's boots mashing the gas down from terror before--which didn't help.
Get a foot rest, mount Odo remote zero and a intermittant wash/squirt so when you spoooolshie thru some fawkin lake and can seat a thing , you far ahead looking Kau-draiver who noticed the huge puddle will have already mashed the wipers on---they're so thoughtful.


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4. BFGs are worth the money. Not a single failure due to the tires. The tires that went flat due to rim failures are still good and will be reused as spares.

I love 'em. I lurv buying the one event old then stomping on guys with new ones.

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5. Need more power...
Cossie turbine housing, 2wd intercooler, 3" aus puff that should do really
because of the next thing:

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6. Need a limited slip...

I haz ceiling cat staring at 4.3 ratio Toiletta Stuprah diffs, and 4.3 is all intended to help in the higher gears--more yank in 3rd and 4th.
And mounting kits.

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7. Need real rally wheels...

That's the hard thing. I seeze 'em in UK for 30-40 squids but shipping small quantities is a bitch...

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8. Need more money (see points 5, 6 & 7). tongue sticking out smiley

didya look between the cushions in the couch?
I found over $3.75 in the carpets of an derelict Xratty once.

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9. Freakin' love this car! Handles fantastic, does exactly what you tell it to do, very stable, and a riot to drive.


Yep, pretty shocking how easy a well balance car is to drive with "vigor" is.






Give me a call man so we can get going on some stuff and work out a plan and a payment plan--so that you can begin getting some of this stuff done while summer is here.



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Re: NEFR 2011
July 20, 2011 12:25PM
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2. JVAB suspension rocks. smiling smiley The suspension handled some pretty rough sections without a single complaint.


Yeah for you, but I gotta figure out what Mark Piatowski is doing to murder his rear struts.

didn't get a good chance to look at what he had done. figure he was running mostly 1-3mph/stage faster on average than we were.

rough is relative but it only took a couple good hits at speed to do some damage. we managed to make it through without any real drama. Only changed one wheel all weekend since it was bent a little more than I was comfortable with and we had a ton of time at the turn around. car needs a few control arm bushings and a new center section for the exhaust thanks to the soft fill from fridays stages.

Big plus of the weekend was the new grading on the middle dam transit section. it was ugly the year before.
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