"They were stock 87 XR4 wheels, which make most people vomit anyway"

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Morison
Great roads out there - Good to see some old friends and say hi, great to put a bunch of faces to names.
Great roads and a lot of effort put in by organisers. Interesting to see the event from the back of the pack.
In the end, I've renewed my dislike of superspecials that take place in something that isn't on real roads. Other than that it was a flippin' good time! :-)

What you did there, I see it.

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"They were stock 87 XR4 wheels, which make most people vomit anyway"

I am one of the weird ones who actually kinda likes the boxy design against the rest of the car...but I know I'm in the minority there.

But if anybody would like to sell Tim some used Compomotives, he's in the market!

Anders,
Yeah, Lise and I were course working with the Fishers.


And, I totally don't get what people were saying about Sturtevant Pond Road. I drove through twice with 3 low profile racing slicks, one space saver and no bottom protection whatsoever and my car is bloody parfect!!!!

BWAAHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ted

I'm with Ted.
I didn't think the roads were *that* rough. If you chose your lines, paid attention to the rocks and had good dampers it shouldn't be that scary. Yes, its racing but no, you can't just go as fast as you want through everything.

We bent 4 rims at least, broke 2 trying to straighten them out... normal NEFR stuff. We broke the windshield landing the Concord pond jump on Friday evening... [url=http://

]Concord pond jump[/url]

We ended Friday's regional 3rd OA, 1st G5... 4th in MaxAttack!!

On Saturday we had 2 flats on the longest stage, which ruined the good run we had goiing... lost 15 minutes or so.

After that we had suspesnion trouble... bent a right front sturt going in the last turnaround... fully compressed it gave no suspension and no ground clearance. We surfed the skid plate the rest of the way in and out agaion. On the way out we stopped to pull Gotti out of the trees. Then they found us 2 minutes into the 90 minute transit, when we stopped for a swim :-) they had punctured the rad in the trees so we towed them the 50+ miles to MTC so they were classiifed as finishers. felt like it was uphill all the way.. the turbo has never run for 80 minutes non-stop before :-)

-Martin.

Nice showing Martin! I was following stage times and you were doing awesome!

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MRWmotorsports
We bent 4 rims at least, broke 2 trying to straighten them out... normal NEFR stuff. We broke the windshield landing the Concord pond jump on Friday evening... [url=http://

]Concord pond jump[/url]

We ended Friday's regional 3rd OA, 1st G5... 4th in MaxAttack!!

On Saturday we had 2 flats on the longest stage, which ruined the good run we had goiing... lost 15 minutes or so.

After that we had suspesnion trouble... bent a right front sturt going in the last turnaround... fully compressed it gave no suspension and no ground clearance. We surfed the skid plate the rest of the way in and out agaion. On the way out we stopped to pull Gotti out of the trees. Then they found us 2 minutes into the 90 minute transit, when we stopped for a swim :-) they had punctured the rad in the trees so we towed them the 50+ miles to MTC so they were classiifed as finishers. felt like it was uphill all the way.. the turbo has never run for 80 minutes non-stop before :-)

-Martin.[/quote]

Yikes!
Get hold of me--what's coming up next?
What should we do!?

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mothra
I have a set of Saab 9000 wheels that I can part with if you want to try them out. Can deliver to Rally WV.

Matt, you've done some events with the Saab wheels, any reports, assessment, opinion, E-pinion of these 9000 wheels?

I mean if'n Tim just smashed up some Xratty wheels maybe he's all worried the Saab wheels might also be cheese-oid, ya know.

You going to West Virginia?

They are heavier than race wheels but hold up better than most oem stuff. Much better than stock XR wheels. Not many rough rallies but they survived Cherokee trails twice. Back when I thought ditch hooking was a good idea. I have 4 that I don't need anymore since they started breeding behind the garage.

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Nice showing Martin! I was following stage times and you were doing awesome!

Yeah, we were pushing hard... full MaxAttack!! which is pretty hard on the car :-)

We missed you at the party... we found a wedding party to crash, we had to leave at around 3am once we'd finished all of their beer :-)

-Martin.

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After that we had suspesnion trouble... bent a right front sturt going in the last turnaround... fully compressed it gave no suspension and no ground clearance. We surfed the skid plate the rest of the way in and out agaion. On the way out we stopped to pull Gotti out of the trees. Then they found us 2 minutes into the 90 minute transit, when we stopped for a swim :-) they had punctured the rad in the trees so we towed them the 50+ miles to MTC so they were classiifed as finishers. felt like it was uphill all the way.. the turbo has never run for 80 minutes non-stop before :-)

-Martin.

Yikes!
Get hold of me--what's coming up next?
What should we do!?

Let's see what we know:
- I like to jump long and high
- I don't like to lift when it gets rough
- I've bent about 10 x 40mm inserts now

Maybe it's time to upgrade to 50mm fronts?

I'll call and chat when I have 2 or 3 hours to spare :-)

-Martin.

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Let's see what we know:
- I like to jump long and high
- I don't like to lift when it gets rough
- I've bent about 10 x 40mm inserts now

Maybe it's time to upgrade to 50mm fronts?

I'll call and chat when I have 2 or 3 hours to spare :-)

-Martin.

Martin,

#1. Good showing at NEFR.

#2. it is probably the 40mm. I don't imaging your car is that light, and i know first hard you peddle that thing. Back when i built/serviced on Narini's Legacy, they just started bending the 40mm's because they started going faster. Just around the same time John started the 50's, went to them, and i don't think we bent an insert aside from bending other stuff.

Are you bending the inserts at the top weld in "pin" area? or are you bending the 40mm "shaft"? I assume it's the 40mm part because you mention they are siezing up when they do so. if that's the case the 40mm ain't strong enough.

I don't think your habbit for jumping is the problem, cause the insert would be all the way down in the tube, supported by the bushings etc when you land. I think it's the sideloads on the inserts that happen when you toss the car hard into ruts, or hit a really sharp bump, etc.

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Let's see what we know:
- I like to jump long and high
- I don't like to lift when it gets rough
- I've bent about 10 x 40mm inserts now

Maybe it's time to upgrade to 50mm fronts?

I'll call and chat when I have 2 or 3 hours to spare :-)

-Martin.

Martin,

#1. Good showing at NEFR.

#2. it is probably the 40mm. I don't imaging your car is that light, and i know first hard you peddle that thing. Back when i built/serviced on Narini's Legacy, they just started bending the 40mm's because they started going faster. Just around the same time John started the 50's, went to them, and i don't think we bent an insert aside from bending other stuff.

Are you bending the inserts at the top weld in "pin" area? or are you bending the 40mm "shaft"? I assume it's the 40mm part because you mention they are siezing up when they do so. if that's the case the 40mm ain't strong enough.

I don't think your habbit for jumping is the problem, cause the insert would be all the way down in the tube, supported by the bushings etc when you land. I think it's the sideloads on the inserts that happen when you toss the car hard into ruts, or hit a really sharp bump, etc.

Well prior to Maine I had some bent rears off both Mark Piatkowski and Kevin Turner's Subies... both had about 5-8mm bend or bow and that'll certainly jam things up, and then THAT well be more reason to bend..

Mark had bent his ears badly as well which make me say "Jeeebus' cause they're 3/16" plate....
I made jigs, wide aluminum supports to lay the tubes on and another one to press with---just like years ago when we last had 40mm forks on bikes---and they straightened nicely, stroked fine--and now I just got an email from Mark who was angry that said the "suspension just collapsed".

Not sure what he means but we need to find out what the deal is....


And a note please: When sending things for repair or service, please send just the inserts and if needed, the lower tubes.
Don't send nuts, spacers, washers and springs. I don't want to keep track of what came and what has to go back, and the springs just adds a LOT of un-needed weight---and that means costs when shipping back---and a LOT of cost when time is tight and the things need to be sent 2 day UPS.

Marks cost $100 MORE to send this time than when they were sent 3 day 15 months prior....

Martin, i have a run of 50mm tubes done, and some inserts are being made, but I don't know what to do if you absolutely have to have the height adjustable bottom thing with ears integral. Can you survive with welded on ears like 99.99% of everybody else?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

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Let's see what we know:
- I like to jump long and high
- I don't like to lift when it gets rough
- I've bent about 10 x 40mm inserts now

Maybe it's time to upgrade to 50mm fronts?

I'll call and chat when I have 2 or 3 hours to spare :-)

-Martin.

Martin,

#1. Good showing at NEFR.

#2. it is probably the 40mm. I don't imaging your car is that light, and i know first hard you peddle that thing. Back when i built/serviced on Narini's Legacy, they just started bending the 40mm's because they started going faster. Just around the same time John started the 50's, went to them, and i don't think we bent an insert aside from bending other stuff.

Are you bending the inserts at the top weld in "pin" area? or are you bending the 40mm "shaft"? I assume it's the 40mm part because you mention they are siezing up when they do so. if that's the case the 40mm ain't strong enough.

I don't think your habbit for jumping is the problem, cause the insert would be all the way down in the tube, supported by the bushings etc when you land. I think it's the sideloads on the inserts that happen when you toss the car hard into ruts, or hit a really sharp bump, etc.

Hi Chris, Thanks for noticing!

I oinly usually bend the pins if I bend something else like a lower control arm. This time, and at Black Bear, and most other times I bend teh 40mm tube... I don't remember any special moment... just suddenly it was bent and we were surfing the skid plate. i'll nee dto get teh bent one off, taken apart, and take a look... one possibility I thougt of was that teh lower bushing pushed down.

I think you're right, we're going faster and need the heavier duty 50mm stuff... Just need to find the money

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Martin, i have a run of 50mm tubes done, and some inserts are being made, but I don't know what to do if you absolutely have to have the height adjustable bottom thing with ears integral. Can you survive with welded on ears like 99.99% of everybody else?

I'll give you a call sometime soon to discuss 50mm... I can probably manage without the adjustable lower ears now I know exactly where they need to be. I still need either the tubes I have straightened, or some new ones and I'll keep these setup for tarmac events, or spares...

-Martin.