Lesson for today

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Reamer
JVL those are good pics. I guess I was to used to reading oval rules that seem to mention tire bleeders constantly. So when I read air extractor my mined went to bleeders. I can see those cutting spectators and understand why they would be illegal. Do you think they even worked good enough to be worth having.

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Robert Culbertson
With those dirt track rotors for them volvos, how do you get the calipers to fit. Different calipers, a spacer? I like my volvo's brakes, but THOSE WOULD BE AWESOME!

We got them under the BBS looking Volvo 15", under the 'Sirius" 15", and under Omega 15"things that look like Compomotive TH or Sparco OZ.

More piccies are taken but not uploaded yet..

I use the same specific Wilwood Forged Superlite that I do on the Xratty set up:




Very powerful, yet easy to modulate just short of lock up.


Todays lesson:
the most important performance system and the most rewarding in terms of better stage times and safety is the brake system....
These brakes are good enough brakes that you are on par with, par--parity--with the top cars in the US in terms of braking--hairsplitting of 1% type stuff excepted (Sure sure AP calipers are better, but at $780 a caliper I don't see many Anarchistas de rally buying APs).

SO: if we can have torque like anybody else, decent ratios like anybody else, at most speeds we do stages good enough grip, similar or same final drive, and now brakes as good....

What's stopping you from top 3 stages times?

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Cosworth
That whole brake system is a good club racer solution period. Calling it 1% hairspliting is a bit too optimistic eh John? Drop the propaganda and call it as it is 40 dollar discs from coleman wont last in the hands of a good driver doing actual top 3 stage times, thin walls like that, and the coning over from being a rigid mount to the hat will have a lot of distortion and bad drag. Inconsistent and long pedal from a flex-lite williwood caliper is far from confidence inspiring.

Lets use it as what it is, a good and affordable upgrade for the shitty brakes in older cars that will be more than enough for most of us. Not the top 3 guys though

What was the lesson in the first post afterall?

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john vanlandingham
It's tarmac, everybody has the same grip, same motor--(more or less), it comes down to the ONLY thing that really requires judgment: braking.

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john vanlandingham
Paulinho, it IS hairsplitting 1%.
You really think anybody we are talking about can utilise brakes right to the Nth degree?
ANYBODY in North America?
I just looked at "the Rally Superstar' who on tarmac this weekend in Allemania---while I was off camping with wifey, her sister, and the three Girls----was losing ON AVERAGE the same time per stage, as the real drivers had as Total gap at end of the entire event.
It's tarmac, everybody has the same grip, same motor--(more or less), it comes down to the ONLY thing that really requires judgment: braking.
So, you think "our" Super Star is really using the brakes on that works Ford
that much better???

I don't.

My point has always been, always: good vigorous utilisation of what I call "pretty good stuff" and a "pretty good package" is a lot better ----and a lot more satisfying------than lame utilisation of "Super-trick" stuff.

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Morison

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john vanlandingham
It's tarmac, everybody has the same grip, same motor--(more or less), it comes down to the ONLY thing that really requires judgment: braking.

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You know, for someone who criticizes me for positing opinions as mater of fact statements this is a pretty bold statement.

Your job is as a photographer. You talk to some guys who are faster than you. That doesn't mean they are truly fast or better by broader standards, thus their opinions are "guys doing something else to make a living, who happen to play at rally--and who you admire"

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I also call bullshit on it.

Your right to do so. But you know that MUCH, nearly everything you say, I know is just talk--or from extremely limited experience.

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I'd suggest that pace note writing requires skills and noting for tarmac is a different set of skills than gravel. Without confidence in a good set of notes that make sense to you ... you'll bleed time like mad.

yeah yeah, whatever

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I'm sure we'd all agree rally driving on tarmac is fundamentally different than gravel ...

We would?
Your opinion as a very limited amateur, and one very opinionated beyond your limits, OUGHT to weigh far FAR LESS than world level drivers....

The world level drivers I have had time to get to know and spoken with in their own languages as 'one of the guys", have said "Ice, snow, gravel, tarmac, its all the same, only the km/hr a car is going to do whatever it's going to do changes. What it will do is the same"

IF you argue with that it proves you haven't a clue, and are just a loud mouthed amateur.

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(and certainly different from drifting or 'hooning'.) "Our" Super Star doesn't exactly have a lot of tarmac rallies under his belt and the ones he has done are generally a very shallow talent pool so he didn't get penalised for how he drove.

As a multi-millionaire, if he gave a shit, he could practice 20 hours a week for weeks and weeks.

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You're making the assumption that all of the ford cars are at the same spec... I wouldn't make that assumption.

I make no such assumption, silly boy.
I know however that whatever spec differences there are is not what explains the "as much time liost per stage as the gap 1-2 at the end of the event"

What you will never admit, since either you cannot fathom really how to drive faster, or because you are only looking to troll more, is the equipment differences--if any with regards to brakes----or a bit less than exact same motor, or pace notes or whatever little things is not why some guys are "slow" (in this context a relative term) are all minor externialities
which pale relative to the differences in DRIVE, an internal push to go faster..

You, being who you are, cannot begin to glimpse this internal difference, so you yap about "maybe its not the same spec", "maybe their pace notes are not perfect".
When the difference really is "It simply does not mean as much, so he can't be bothered".

So once again in your monomania to "prove" a) I am bullshitting and b) you're an encyclopedia of all knowledge gained thru several years by observing other do things you can't,

you derail yet another thread, missing as always the nuggets of gold: that braking for deceleration for the readers here is the skill that will help them have better results..

Lesson for Today: listen to people about the subjects that they devote enough time to pay the mortgage with. Don't ask movie starts about Tax Policy, don't ask computer nerds about repairing cars, don't ask garage mechanics about modding and building motors, and don't listen to photographers about things they just dabble and play at.
You want to know about driving fast, ask somebody who made/makes a living at it.

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Morison
You're making the assumption that all of the ford cars are at the same spec... I wouldn't make that assumption.

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Cosworth
Hmmm denial is not just a river in Egypt ya know... take a look at this shakedown hairpin and lets see if its the car's fault for the slower pace!

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john vanlandingham
Your job is as a photographer.

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Your opinion as a very limited amateur, and one very opinionated beyond your limits, OUGHT to weigh far FAR LESS than world level drivers....

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The world level drivers I have had time to get to know and spoken with in their own languages as 'one of the guys", have said "Ice, snow, gravel, tarmac, its all the same, only the km/hr a car is going to do whatever it's going to do changes. What it will do is the same.
IF you argue with that it proves you haven't a clue, and are just a loud mouthed amateur.

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As a multi-millionaire, if he gave a shit, he could practice 20 hours a week for weeks and weeks.

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What you will never admit, since either you cannot fathom really how to drive faster, or because you are only looking to troll more, is the equipment differences--if any with regards to brakes----or a bit less than exact same motor, or pace notes or whatever little things is not why some guys are "slow" (in this context a relative term) are all minor externialities which pale relative to the differences in DRIVE, an internal push to go faster.

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You, being who you are, cannot begin to glimpse this internal difference, so you yap about "maybe its not the same spec", "maybe their pace notes are not perfect".

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you derail yet another thread, missing as always the nuggets of gold: that braking for deceleration for the readers here is the skill that will help them have better results..

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Dazed_Driver
... John is a washed up old relic of a motorcycle racer who was never really that fast in a FWD car (look up his times, they're online) telling people how to drive a RWD car (which he admittedly never drove in a rally)

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When were you paying the mortgage with your rally driving John??