Hey all I have a quick question.

Is there any reason why as a novice I couldn't get a RA logbook on a build that is to become a gr5 car. It is my understanding that the logbook is for the chassis/cage and not the final build.

I am building the much cheaper turbo motor and will get my start with some hill climbs and a NASA event or two but I would like my log book to be with the sanctioning body that I will most likely be running the most events under.

Pretty sure this would be A OK but thought I'd ask

There are no differences in cage design or prep between G2 and G5.

I think you misunderstood what I was asking but thats ok it was a silly question anyway. The driver and the car have no connection so getting a logbook won't be a problem. It would only be at registration that I would run into the snafu

You can build and logbook Open, or group 5 cars... as many as you wnat, the only restriction is on who can driver them in RA events.

-Martin.

You have it correct Patrick. Logbook ids for the car independant of driver co-efficients.

My new logbook came with the line for car class left blank. Apparently it doesn't matter to RA what the class is. And what would happen if it said 'Open Light' and next year and converted it to 'Open'?

nuthin' that's what. Log books are not as big a deal as they are sometimes made to be.

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My new logbook came with the line for car class left blank. Apparently it doesn't matter to RA what the class is. And what would happen if it said 'Open Light' and next year and converted it to 'Open'?

nuthin' that's what. Log books are not as big a deal as they are sometimes made to be.

Logbooks are poorly used by RA. I haven't been to enough events under NASA to know the standard practice.

My understanding has always been that a log book exists to document an item or person and their activities. When it comes to rally cars, shouldn't it contain the events the car has run and the results of the events, particularly the extent and type of damage sustained, if there is any. RA hands the books back to the competitor at tech leaving them to fill in the details. Under CARS, the logbook is held until the results are final and any damage is noted by the event stewards before the logbook is returned. "Self Reporting" is usually of questionable value.

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Logbooks are poorly used by RA. (and even poor-er-ly used by SCCA before them) I haven't been to enough events under NASA to know the standard practice.

My understanding has always been that a log book exists to document an item or person and their activities. When it comes to rally cars, shouldn't it contain the events the car has run and the results of the events, particularly the extent and type of damage sustained, if there is any. RA hands the books back to the competitor at tech leaving them to fill in the details. Under CARS, the logbook is held until the results are final and any damage is noted by the event stewards before the logbook is returned. "Self Reporting" is usually of questionable value.

Holy fuck.
Sweet bleeding Jeebus.

Another post I agree with fully....

(although the stress sometimes when you got a 800 mile drive of finding the geezer wif the Log book before you leave is well stressy)

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My new logbook came with the line for car class left blank. Apparently it doesn't matter to RA what the class is. And what would happen if it said 'Open Light' and next year and converted it to 'Open'?

nuthin' that's what. Log books are not as big a deal as they are sometimes made to be.

Logbooks are poorly used by RA. I haven't been to enough events under NASA to know the standard practice.

My understanding has always been that a log book exists to document an item or person and their activities. When it comes to rally cars, shouldn't it contain the events the car has run and the results of the events, particularly the extent and type of damage sustained, if there is any. RA hands the books back to the competitor at tech leaving them to fill in the details. Under CARS, the logbook is held until the results are final and any damage is noted by the event stewards before the logbook is returned. "Self Reporting" is usually of questionable value.

I agree 100%, RA is missing a really good pprotunity here. CARS has a good system and they follow up a lot closer with regards to crash damage and repair.

As long as the crash damage occurs at a CARS event...

RA's method says you can't ensure that a logbook contains the entire competition and crash history of a car.

Plenty of rally cars have been crashed during practice or other types of events. Thinking the logbook will have ALL incidents reported is naive.

i wonder if anyone has thought of moving to an electronic logbook where a barcode on the cage/shell is scanned and brings up the car information on a database. The car is scanned at tech and the event data is entered, results are automatically appended by the database at the end of the event and DNF/damage details are added by the stewards after the event. (you could easily append pictures of damage etc.)

You'd need internet connectivity at tech though.

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i wonder if anyone has thought of moving to an electronic logbook where a barcode on the cage/shell is scanned and brings up the car information on a database. The car is scanned at tech and the event data is entered, results are automatically appended by the database at the end of the event and DNF/damage details are added by the stewards after the event. (you could easily append pictures of damage etc.)

You'd need internet connectivity at tech though.

You've seen R-A's website, right?
//Maybe Anders will implement electronic logbooks...

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i wonder if anyone has thought of moving to an electronic logbook where a barcode on the cage/shell is scanned and brings up the car information on a database. The car is scanned at tech and the event data is entered, results are automatically appended by the database at the end of the event and DNF/damage details are added by the stewards after the event. (you could easily append pictures of damage etc.)

You'd need internet connectivity at tech though.

I think that would be a great idea.

As I'm pretty sure that just about everyone has forgotten the Logbook in the shop at some event, and had to get a temp @ event.

The database could and should be vehicle VIN based, so really not alot of need for barcode or numbering stickers.

I think you could get by without internet connectivity at tech, as long as someone had a copy of the up to date database file on a computer of some sort (laptop, tablet, ipad), it would be good enough. The logbook database could just be updated post-event, meaning you wouldn't really need an internet connection at tech.

Really it should probably be a joint project between all N/A sanctioning bodies.

It could probably speed alot of things up, if a tech guy could look prior to event at the registered cars. That way they know "ok...this guys car was balled up at last event and required cage work." A well done system might even include expiry date for things (seats, belts, extinguishers, etc), and tech teams could know to look for them specifically, or "warnings" could be sent to competitors prior to the expiry date.

Would be pretty slick...but mean pretty serious time investment and probably some $$$

So now I'm going to need a VIN on my car that matches the title/logbook?

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Really it should probably be a joint project between all N/A sanctioning bodies.

Quite possibly one of the funnier things I've read in a while. Thanks Chris!
Yes, you're right about that for sure. But cooperation between sanctioning bodies seems to be getting tougher rather than easier over time.

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It could probably speed alot of things up, if a tech guy could look prior to event at the registered cars. That way they know "ok...this guys car was balled up at last event and required cage work." A well done system might even include expiry date for things (seats, belts, extinguishers, etc), and tech teams could know to look for them specifically, or "warnings" could be sent to competitors prior to the expiry date.

email reminders on expiry dates would be great for sure. Emailed copies of entries would be good as well so the competitor can compile them into a hard-copy file if they wanted.

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Would be pretty slick...but mean pretty serious time investment and probably some $$$

An probably more a question of where you want the time and money invested in what are, for the most part, volunteer run associations with modest budgets.

I know RA already associates cars with drivers and you can select the 'car' you are entering if you have more than one. Adding database fields to accomodate electronic log book information shouldn't be that difficult.