Jorden Elite Moderator Location: Baraboo, Wisconsin, USA, Terra, Sol, Milky Way Join Date: 01/24/2006 Posts: 372 Rally Car: whichever one i happen to be driving at the time |
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Kevin Turner Junior Moderator Location: Newark, DE Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 364 Rally Car: 2wd Impreza... dude you should do an sti swap |
Tony Wood Junior Moderator Location: Wichita Join Date: 02/02/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 181 Rally Car: 83 Citation "Oskar" |
You are over reading it. The gap is the EVIDENCE to support the accusation of working in a control. Rally official, worker, competitor, etc. claims car 555 was working in a control. 555 says Nah, twasn't moi! All I did was clean my windscreen... Steward goes to the log and sees 555 7 minutes out of order... GULITY!! 
The gap alone means nothing W/O the accusation. |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Jared Lantzy Mega Moderator Location: Silver Spring, MD Join Date: 09/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 112 Rally Car: Free range navigator |
Confusion from a completely literal reading... Does this mean I can perform any one of those things that I want (or something like it) as long as it takes me no more than 30 seconds? I can perform 2 - 3 of those things as long as it takes me no more than 30 seconds total to finish them all? Does "additional time is not granted" refer to the 30 seconds or the "does not delay the vehicle in being ready to start, impede the operation of the control, or cause the order of vehicles to be altered." I have to say I do like the intent of the rule, just maybe not the wording.  Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2011 09:10AM by Jard. |
Jorden Elite Moderator Location: Baraboo, Wisconsin, USA, Terra, Sol, Milky Way Join Date: 01/24/2006 Posts: 372 Rally Car: whichever one i happen to be driving at the time |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Alex Rademacher Infallible Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
The wording is tricky, since the words 'service' and 'crew' and 'service crew' all have meanings that may interfere. Additionally, it needs to work for either 2 person teams and single person teams (RallyMoto/RallySolo). It has to convey that small things are allowed, but large ones are not, but not list everything outright, plus give a sense of the fuzziness allowed. (ie, there's no one there with a 30 second stopwatch)
I could just say "Fixing small stuff is ok if you have extra time." and have that be the whole rule. 
We'll try it out, see how it fits, and re-write if needed. NRS is pioneering the 'controls aren't actually parc ferme' philosophy so the wordsmithing is in uncharted territory. Cheers, Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
Alex Rademacher Infallible Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
Was it Grant that wrote some wording like
"Any team that checks into a timing control on time, and does not cause a delay to the start of the stage may perform any of the following actions : use of zip ties, hammers, pry bars, and or Tape. Fluids may be added to the car. Any bolt/screw may be Tightened (but not loosened) , any video/ audio/ data acquisition tools may be used, and or worked on, any part may be inspected. any personal item may be retrieved " If your starting of the stage is delayed, a penalty of 1 minute per minute delayed will be charged. uhm actually can you think of an in control action that should be OK, but would not be covered by my wording ? so if i hop out and inspect my wheels, and that causes me to start 1 minute late, i get a minute penalty. if i hope out and start zip tying like crazy , and i tell the competitor behind me to go (2 minute windows) and i go behind him. i would get a 2 minute penalty (since my starting of the stage was delayed by 2 minutes) ? okay someone take my wording and make it better. or point out an action that should be okay, but isn't permitted by my wording ?
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Alex Rademacher Infallible Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
damn i already thought of something. Gorman 2010 (before the control zone) i removed 2 bolts that held on my trunk and put them in to hold my skid plate on.
 hmmf drafting wording for rules is hard, its MUCH easier to just complain about them ....
"Any team that checks into a timing control on time, and does not cause a delay to the start of the stage may perform any work on their vehicle that does not directly reduce the vehicles ability to move" If your starting of the stage is delayed, a penalty of 1 minute per minute delayed will be charged. Any work that directly reduces the vehicles ability to move is subject to an additional 2 minute penalty. ------------------------- so then under that rule you could zip tie, add fluids, Tape things, tighten bolts screws, play with cameras. You could remove certain nuts and bolts (like trunk bolts, trim, etc) and put them in somewhere else. and things like changing a tire, or removing bolts from your starter would not be allowed. you could add oil, but not do an oil change. you could not disconnect your battery, but you could tighten terminal bolts. hmmm... Maybe that wording will work? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2011 03:09PM by A1337STI. |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Baaaahahahahaha. 
Yes. But I'd guess you're in the 1% that have ever tried to rewrite a section of rules and figured out the loop holes in your own text, thus appreciating the difficulty. So thumbs up to that! Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
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