Whoes following Sno Drift?

Whatever Gene. ya never answered if you ever did an all ice event and how much fun you had...

Morrison, you might be interested to know that in the real great White North, it is the preferred winter surface is very very cold ice and frozen road bed....

But what do they know, buncha herring chokers , square heads and finn-djavlar...

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I find it interesting that there is apparently only one person who really doesn't like the idea of not running studs to the point of derailing entire threads about it year after year.

The biggest reason sno*drift doesnt use them probably isnt the RA rules- It's maybe because only one person is annoyingly obnoxious about them.

If EVERYONE was, yeah, maybe they would change it. Maybe.

...But until then, people seem to be quite happy. Exhibit A) the entry list...

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I find it interesting that there is apparently only one person who really doesn't like the idea of not running studs to the point of derailing entire threads about it year after year.

The biggest reason sno*drift doesnt use them probably isnt the RA rules- It's maybe because only one person is annoyingly obnoxious about them.

If EVERYONE was, yeah, maybe they would change it. Maybe.

...But until then, people seem to be quite happy. Exhibit A) the entry list...

No Timmy you cuddled little twerp, try re-reading instead of trolling, PLENTY of people have done the event once and said, nope I won't go back..just not fun . I know 3-4 in Michigan and Minnesota alone and a2-3 locally.

Besides the point you and most others have missed entirely isn't just this one slow event, but the general Why Not? especially in light of the push to adopt all the other rules and regulations and format of where rally is popular...

again, let's say you someday in 5 or 10 years you get your car which you've worked on to make go fast, you want to drive it 25-35 mph on the stages and just glide off and have the whole investment thrown away, when with decent tires you could have a whole weekend of fun driving in some semblance of control?

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Theres no argument that the Skellies car needed more prep. Derec did the shirts and thats good because he doesnt know what a tool is or how it works LOL.

The guys that did most of the work on the car built the car in about 3 weeks while driving over 2 hours to get to the shop. Where they had no clue where tools were or how to really build a true race car. Dan had said that he was up for 79 hours strait awake on aderal and redbull. I dont know where these kids get there passion but they deserve credit for even making it there.

Hopefully the guys didnt burn them selves out and start reprep sooner then a week before the next rally.

Wow.

I had no idea they had to push so hard to get there. I was under the impression the car was nearly done quite a while ago. At least thats how I interpreted the FB posts. I know they had a rear suspension/diff snafu, as they contacted Jenny on Wednesday looking for a different diff. I also hope that they didnt get burnt out. Rally is a tough sport, and jumping in with no experience anywhere is a bold move. All things considered they did a fantastic job.

That is some commitment, and I wish I would have had a chance to chat with them, as well as Sam at service. We were running so much further up the field that I didnt see either of them until all the days stages had been run.

I was really impressed with RTK, thier car was increadibly well put together. I got to spend a few hours looking it over Wednesday night, and it was just as pretty underneath and in the engine bay as it was on the outside. Very well thought out, and engineered. I talked to Sam and Rachelle Saturday night after awards, and I had to give them mad props.

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Hmm, math must not be your strong point, that's not a majority, now is it?

Why don't YOU try reading, vs trying to think of insults? I would be shocked to see you carry on a debate with someone you dont like or respect without resorting to petty insults.

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Morrison,

um ... ONE R please... (simple courtesy of getting my name right surely isn't too much to ask is it?)

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you might be interested to know that in the real great White North, it is the preferred winter surface is very very cold ice and frozen road bed....

You might be surprised to know that I'm not surprised about that at all.

Very Very cold ice isn't that slippy really.

All I was saying was that at 3.5mm exposure 'street stud' with a max population of 130 studs per tire the studs will work against you on very very cold ice and frozen road bed. A ice race or WRC style skinny tire heavily populated with studs will be different as the studs are meant to be the primary contact with the ice.

That isn't the case with normal studs - they need the tire's contact patch to be a part of the equation that works to get grip.

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Rules say no studs, so I roll with the punches. Considering the record entry numbers and multiple spectator points per stage, all packed with people, I would say I am not the only one.

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If EVERYONE was, yeah, maybe they would change it. Maybe.

...But until then, people seem to be quite happy. Exhibit A) the entry list...

The record mentioned is only a Sno*Drift record, it's not a national record or all-time record or anything else. But the number of people entered proves or disproves nothing as it relates to studs being allowed or not. Last year there were 45 entries, with the same rules. Before that 54, and in 2009 36, one of the smallest RA national series events that year. Same stud rules forever.

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Rules say no studs, so I roll with the punches. Considering the record entry numbers and multiple spectator points per stage, all packed with people, I would say I am not the only one.

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If EVERYONE was, yeah, maybe they would change it. Maybe.

...But until then, people seem to be quite happy. Exhibit A) the entry list...

The record mentioned is only a Sno*Drift record, it's not a national record or all-time record or anything else. But the number of people entered proves or disproves nothing as it relates to studs being allowed or not. Last year there were 45 entries, with the same rules. Before that 54, and in 2009 36, one of the smallest RA national series events that year. Same stud rules forever.

Cheers,
Anders

Anders, that's my point. People just go with it. Until everyone starts complaining and the majority do not, I don't see why anyone would change anything.

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Anders, that's my point. People just go with it. Until everyone starts complaining and the majority do not, I don't see why anyone would change anything.

Oh gawd, the measure by which rules should change, Timmy doesn't see why...better not do it, cause it can't be a worth considering cause Timmay doesn't see....

When he thinks, somehow the nation weakens.

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My head hurts...

Can someone link me to the skellies car? I'd like to see the end result and the mad push to get there. That sort of stuff inspires me most, and I need some inspiration at the moment.

I know my car was a mad rush of prep that involved a week of sleepless nights. Anything and everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong with everything on just about anything. Incredibly frustrating. Especially when the timing belt skipped on the way to the hotel Thursday night, was up till 2am fixing that. Then the headgasket blew sitting in control at the end of Stage 2. Fixed that. Transmission drain plug somehow came out on one of the 15 mile stages and ran the rest of the stage with no gear oil and the transit back. And to top it off, the steering gear linkage popped off as I was unloading the car off the trailer and into a shop Sunday night.

There is a lot more details to that story and other things that went wrong, but the entire story/saga is going to be in Popular Mechanics soon.

(Please note that in _this_ post I'm not talking about being for-studs or against-studs, I'm talking about the decision making process.)

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People just go with it. Until everyone starts complaining and the majority do not, I don't see why anyone would change anything.

In general, you're exactly right: people do just go with it. That's the problem, really. Waiting for a majority, or even a large percentage, of people to complain is not a good way of making decisions or detecting problems.

For example, I wouldn't want to wait until the majority of people who got cancer did the research on how cancer was formed and how to fix it. Instead, I'd rather have some very smart people dedicate their lives to researching it and then tell us. I don't want to wait until a majority of shareholders in a company I own stock in are broke, I want the accounting team to tell me the company is going broke.

Same goes here. Racers are busy racing and wrenching. They are not busy studying the sport. There isn't time to do both.

(I'm closing with stating again that this post isn't about studs being good or bad. It's about the thought that one smart, well-studied person (or a small team) can look at a thing, and come up with something that is better, long before the sum of all people involved start complaining, and that a lack of complaining doesn't mean things couldn't be a lot better in a different way.)

Cheers,
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I don't think anyone read through my entire post. no one. complete fail! lol


I'm big into my rally car being street legal. since there are no studs in existence which are legal in michigan (MDOT will only allow studs that have had certain tests, and that data has been submitted to MDOT, so far no one has submitted data (or passing data))

I feel that snow drift should never allow studs, nor should they petition for special permission.
that's based upon Michigan not normally allowing them.

winter Rallies in states(countries) that allow studs, should allow studs

Winter rallies in states(countries) that don't allow studs, should not allow them!

I don't want us creating a "race track environment" where all of the normal rules and issues to deal with that we get on public roads go away. Not to say i can't have fun at a race track. but i want my track racing to be track racing, and my rallying to be driving as fast as i can , in a street legal car, on public roads which are temporary closed to the public.

if you are racing on a frozen lake, i'm all for studs.



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I don't think anyone read through my entire post. no one. complete fail! lol

Feeling left out because John didn't go all 'vanlandingham' on your ass for making perfect sense in what you posted?

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

Pretty much ! ...

lol i just typed in "i'm not totally Pro Stud at rally ... " that's pretty funny....