Newbs asking about cars. WTF?

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Gravity Fed
doesnt the SE-R have the 2.0L SR20?

Yeah and there's even more nothing available for the box/final drive because it's more popular.

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John Vanlandingham
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and this is why i ask and look. I dont want to build a turd lookin brick and then realize i coulda built a bitchin Aspire.

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Racinkid13
[I feel kind of uncomfortable getting a car ive never lifted the skirt of.

Look at it this way. The first car you got you'd never lifted the skirt of. Everything you've learned you've learned since then. Why are you more of a wuss now that you're older and actually know about cars to learn something new?
I know what you mean though. I only really knew shit about Subarus so always wanted a Subaru. Then I found myself working/helping with Eclipse, Audi, Subaru, VW, Ford and Dodge rally cars and realized that cars are cars. Yeah, there's little 'tricks' to be learned to make a 4 hour job take 20 minutes on all cars, but the little shit is always the same.
Now I look more to things like, ease of making power with stock engine, gearbox and gearing options, differential options (probably #1 in my opinion, if you can't get a proper diff or you need to buy 3 of them, don't go that route), brakes, dimensions and weight, suspension design and components (MacPherson, semi-trailing, multi-link, control arm flimsyness, etc). And most importantly, availability of the car. If they are rare and expensive, probably not the best choice for a rally car. It should be something where if you wreck it beyond repair, you could be back on stage for under $5k plus time. That to me means a $2k and under base car.

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Racinkid13
yes. i was also lookin to see if anyone had dropped a qr25de in a b13 too.

like i said, i was just lookin to see if its been done, how it was done, costs, availability, and if they liked it.

as I understand it, it's been done 2 or 3 times. IIRC, all the engine mounts have to be relocated, and some mods required to the front crossmember/subframe.

One of the local guys has one in progress (and has been that way for 18+ months), and even though he keeps talking about it eventually being a stage car, I'll believe it when I see it. Seeing the thing out of the car makes me imagine in a light(er) shell like a B13, it'll have an awesome lawn-dart weight distribution.

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Racinkid13
[I feel kind of uncomfortable getting a car ive never lifted the skirt of.

Look at it this way. The first car you got you'd never lifted the skirt of. Everything you've learned you've learned since then. Why are you more of a wuss now that you're older and actually know about cars to learn something new?
I know what you mean though. I only really knew shit about Subarus so always wanted a Subaru. Then I found myself working/helping with Eclipse, Audi, Subaru, VW, Ford and Dodge rally cars and realized that cars are cars. Yeah, there's little 'tricks' to be learned to make a 4 hour job take 20 minutes on all cars, but the little shit is always the same.
Now I look more to things like, ease of making power with stock engine, gearbox and gearing options, differential options (probably #1 in my opinion, if you can't get a proper diff or you need to buy 3 of them, don't go that route), brakes, dimensions and weight, suspension design and components (MacPherson, semi-trailing, multi-link, control arm flimsyness, etc). And most importantly, availability of the car. If they are rare and expensive, probably not the best choice for a rally car. It should be something where if you wreck it beyond repair, you could be back on stage for under $5k plus time. That to me means a $2k and under base car.

i think its more of my work flowing over into personal life. Im having to constantly learn the knew thing, the next best thing, then try and remember what was new last year cause we have that broken right now. So much crammed in this brain i swear somethings going to fall out learning volvo porn.

Probably also a resistance to chg. Sticking with what i know.

Plus, I think they are ugly. But then again, I thought the same bout my Dodge. Now, my wife has to slap my hand when ever i fondle the shifter.

uhm i think i agree with everyone... same cars over and over is a bit boring. but it also makes sense. If 1/2 of the field is in a 93-07 Impreza and i show up in one. and you show up in a ...Brand new Fiat 500. guess who will have an easier time finding a spare part? or maybe you show up in an XR4TI!! sweet... oh no you need a half shaft. sorry can't help you...

One cool thing about everyone showing up in the same car is that you get other "near equal" cars to compare yourself too. again with the fiat 500, or the XR4TI you wouldn't have someone else in the same car to compare your times too. though i know at the of the stage, we just compare ourselves to who ever is running ahead of us . end of a transit you compare your times to a few spots down as well . if you're running 1st you don't really need to check times, as long as you don't get reseeded you're still leading...

Sometimes i see cars that i want to rally.. even thinking they would be horrible rally cars.. I'd love to have a ford fusion in open lite trim. 6 speed manual, awd, 4 bangers and V6's available ... christler 300M ... hmm... okay yes i have horrible tastes in cars.. I just think a bad, american Big heavy car would be FUN and challenging to throw around. I'd love a Porsche as a race/rally car... ugh.. i need to work more and keyboard less... lol might have extra money for toys

So wait.. we don't have a spec class

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If 1/2 of the field is in a 93-07 Impreza

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This isn't floor mat anarchy

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Racinkid13
Plus, I think they are ugly.

When I was deciding between a Volvo or Merkur the Volvo got a plus 1 to not having to do any cosmetics to it. It's what it is, round headlights, little rear spoiler, and go. With the Merkur there was body work to get rid of the hideous dual side windows, Cossie grill, headlights and bumper, get rid of the hideous rear spoiler and get the whale tail. Thankfully, Sean came up with a $40 solution for the front bumper, but I did spend $600 on the whale tail and a handful of days cutting, welding, and bondo to make a single big rear window and another $400 or so on the grill and headlight stuff. So $1000 just to make it so I didn't have to taste stomach bile everytime I looked at my rally car. Too bad I couldn't figure out a way to make the arches work...

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Grant Hughes

The more I watch the Finnish videos, the more i see them Volvos running. So it would seem there is some substance behinds Johns rantings. Who knows, I may build it and then be caught posting how beautiful it is.

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Racinkid13
The more I watch the Finnish videos, the more i see them Volvos running. So it would seem there is some substance behinds Johns rantings. Who knows, I may build it and then be caught posting how beautiful it is.

Between 240s, 740s and 940s, that's probably half the entries in typical Swedish event. They made them until who knows when?
Unlike here, most guys spend a lotta dough on their powerplants and those Redblocks are good strong things

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John Vanlandingham
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About that availability thing...

When I was living in Seattle, there were shitloads of cheap Volvos and Merkurs were both available for sale and in junkyards. Not so here in Florida. Here, it would make more sense to recommend a 240SX, Mustang, E30/E36 BMW, or a Merc 190 as good starter cars based on availability and cheapness.

My point being that best starter cars are probably different regionally.

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A1337STI
I just think a bad, american Big heavy car would be FUN and challenging to throw around.

I still secretly think a Panther spec series with stock everything running light truck tires would be awesomely fun and cheap.

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fliz
Toybaru BRZ/GT-86.

200HP, RWD, under 2800 lbs stock.

If it's a success, it would probably make a good platform in 5 years.

Agreed. Probably not the most competitive. But way WAY cooler.

and you can buy them in blue!!!!

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This isn't floor mat anarchy

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worked_xr
About that availability thing...

When I was living in Seattle, there were shitloads of cheap Volvos and Merkurs were both available for sale and in junkyards. Not so here in Florida. Here, it would make more sense to recommend a 240SX, Mustang, E30/E36 BMW, or a Merc 190 as good starter cars based on availability and cheapness.

My point being that best starter cars are probably different regionally.

Of course it would make even more sense to move away from Flar-duh back to Sleezattle where not only are there cars, there's events to drive them in.
And friends who miss good conversations wif youse. (sniffle)

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John Vanlandingham
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2012 12:56AM by john vanlandingham.

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Racinkid13
bitchin Aspire.

wat 0.0

I think you typo'd....

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