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You might want to talk to their Official North American Agents first.

If they talked to Grant then they either directed him to their Official North American agents or they aren't particularly worried about their agency agreements.

Thank you for yet another action and information packed posting.
Did you eat a bowl of platitudes this morning and want to share?

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Maybe the official agent could comment on this thread, or at least fix his website.

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Maybe the official agent could comment on this thread, or at least fix his website.

The official agents have nothing to add as a) the super nice winter tires with glued in studs and revulcanized tires to set those buggers still are not allowed anywhere. And b) the margins on tires are so narrow that the exchange rate US dollar to Euro changes from USD 0.88 to 1 Euro to USD1.35 to 1 Euro, manipulated to give US big exporters (Boeing, ADM and other big agribusinesses) an export advantage made the idea too risky for the amount of capital up front needed to bring in a minimum of approz 100-110 tires.

But Finns usually keep their word.

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Thank you for yet another action and information packed posting.

You're welcome.

I was just sayin' that when you go to Keskipinta Ltd's site all you get about a US distributor is a broken link to a non-existant site so I doubt there is an operational agent agreement in place. (although it would seem to be 11tenths, which is Derek Bottles unless I'm mistaken.) If Keskipinta Ltd was willing to talk to Grant then I suspect they also doubt there is an operational agent agreement in place.

When you look for Black Rocket information on US sites a decade old thread on SS.com pops up that shows you and Skye were flirting with bringing them in as a semi-buisiness venture but never actually moved any product.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

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Morison

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Thank you for yet another action and information packed posting.

You're welcome.

I was just sayin' that when you go to Keskipinta Ltd's site all you get about a US distributor is a broken link to a non-existant site so I doubt there is an operational agent agreement in place. (although it would seem to be 11tenths, which is Derek Bottles unless I'm mistaken.) If Keskipinta Ltd was willing to talk to Grant then I suspect they also doubt there is an operational agent agreement in place.

When you look for Black Rocket information on US sites a decade old thread on SS.com pops up that shows you and Skye were flirting with bringing them in as a semi-buisiness venture but never actually moved any product.

As usual you are wrong on almost everything you conclude.
It really must be frustrating to be so constantly wrong, and on so many points.

If i were you, I'd stop thinking, since it obviously leads you to completely erroneous conclusions---which is not that surprising since you you. like many primarily part time people flitting around sports, know most of what you think you know via these dumb screens in front of keyboards.

Just trying to help you Morison.

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When you look for Black Rocket information on US sites a decade old thread on SS.com pops up that shows you and Skye were flirting with bringing them in as a semi-buisiness venture but never actually moved any product.

Hmmm...John's insistence that Sno*Drift needs to switch to Euro-style studded tires makes a bit more sense now.

snow plus studs means more grip , which means higher speeds.

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john vanlandingham
b) the margins on tires are so narrow that the exchange rate US dollar to Euro changes from USD 0.88 to 1 Euro to USD1.35 to 1 Euro, manipulated to give US big exporters (Boeing, ADM and other big agribusinesses) an export advantage made the idea too risky for the amount of capital up front needed to bring in a minimum of approz 100-110 tires.

Hence why it'd make even less sense to add in a middle man.
I've done the importer thing where I paid a percentage to someone else who didn't do shit but have the 'rights' to import the products. Won't do it again.

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When you look for Black Rocket information on US sites a decade old thread on SS.com pops up that shows you and Skye were flirting with bringing them in as a semi-buisiness venture but never actually moved any product.

Hmmm...John's insistence that Sno*Drift needs to switch to Euro-style studded tires makes a bit more sense now.

By calm clear advocacy of allowing good studded tires in motorsport goes back to late 1973 when I first had some. which were bought second hand, but still so much fun.

It predates the existence of Slo-drift by a couple of decades and indeed wasn't even needed till the mid 1970s when the blanket prohibition on studs was dropped on the US rally world after some back room deal in 76 or 77.

I have always advocated more fun than less fun which is why I am so dismissive of the lame argument "well the competition is the same for everybody" (ignoring that not everybody has a selection of traction-ized tires and cut brand new studless latest things etc).

I argued in the 90s when i was out East and doing Maine and Ontrio and Quebec evenst and stopped doing those events because it simply wasn't FUN.

So sorry, no self interest, no web conspiracy.

I contacted Black Rocket because I import things from "Up there" for now 49 years.

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As usual you are wrong on almost everything you conclude.

How so John...

7th listing on my google search of 'Black Rocket Tires' is
http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?1831-Black-Rocket-Tires
A thread that starts off saying the north american distributor won't answer emails. Try to follow the blackrockettires.com link and you go nowhere of value.

if you go to the 'parent' site (http://www.keskipinta.fi/pages/COMPANY_INFO/1002) and click on the link to the USA distributor, you go nowhere. If you hover over the link you see www.11tenths.com is the target.

I google "11tenths rally" and get a page by Derek Bottles talking about his $400 rally car, well before Bill Caswell's $500 BMW.
http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?3,12,12

Ok, so I'll concede that you may have moved some product... but how many tires did you move and how long ago was that?

I'll also concede that you think you have a standing agency agreement with keskipinta... when was the last time you exercised that agreement and do you really think they will honour any exclusivity (if it exists) if you haven't been moving product?

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If i were you, I'd stop thinking, since it obviously leads you to completely erroneous conclusions---which is not that surprising since you you. like many primarily part time people flitting around sports, know most of what you think you know via these dumb screens in front of keyboards.

People can always tell when you've been backed into a corner John. You start spewing insults rather than bringing real information to the table.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

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By calm clear advocacy of allowing good studded tires in motorsport goes back to late 1973 when I first had some. which were bought second hand, but still so much fun.
It predates the existence of Slo-drift by a couple of decades ...

As usual, you're making shit up, or living in an alternate universe.
from the Sno*Drift site:
"The first Sno*Drift Rally was in 1966"

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

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snow plus studs means more grip , which means higher speeds.

a) Studs don't grip snow, they need a hard surface to work.
b) Define what you mean by 'studs'... as if that hasn't been beaten to death in this thread already.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

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Morison

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john vanlandingham
By calm clear advocacy of allowing good studded tires in motorsport goes back to late 1973 when I first had some. which were bought second hand, but still so much fun.
It predates the existence of Slo-drift by a couple of decades ...

As usual, you're making shit up, or living in an alternate universe.
from the Sno*Drift site:
"The first Sno*Drift Rally was in 1966"

As a TSD, troll.
You're trolling Morison. Obvious troll is obvious.

Not backed into a corner. And not spewing insults.

Repeating your mantra does not make it true.
YOU Morison have nothing to add or contribute so you are sticking you nose in. That's not an insult it is obvious.
So any response top your sticking your nose in and making up shit is perfectly OK.

I just don't have time to correct all you half back, ill-and half informed guesses.

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Let's make this clear so you will shut the fuck up.
Don't you think it sorta sucks that Skye and I , particularly ME spends the time to contact them, negotiate the fact to even sell to USA, bring in several hundred tires (in conjunction with friends in Maine for ice racers),
and then somebody else who prior to my doing the work and spending the money NEVER FUCKING EVEN HEARD of Black Rocket, much less Finland, decides to try and grab the idea..

Kinda like when people grab photos off the internet and don't give even a word of thanks to the photographer...

Sucks.

END.

In other words shut up Morison doesn't concern you.

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snow plus studs means more grip , which means higher speeds.

a) Studs don't grip snow, they need a hard surface to work.
b) Define what you mean by 'studs'... as if that hasn't been beaten to death in this thread already.

Studs may not grip snow, so for the first 8 or 10 guys a snow tire might be better...but for all those at the back of the pack, they usually see ice.

I've never done a snow/ice rally, but I do get to play on the stuff quite a bit. I'd take a minimally studded (150-200 studs) any day over a standard street studless tire because of the consistancy it offers. On snow...sure it looses its supremecy over a snow tire, but because its on snow, the grip levels are up. Once back on ice, a tire with longer than street legal studs will be more fun (see video above).

Dave