So I've been trying to get started in stage rally. I have a mk2 gti that I started to build for rally. I have been looking for a mk2 on the east coast that is already build and ready to race. Finally one popped up on another site. Its a mk2 gti with a 2.0l aba swap, built by team oneil, has a grandfathered scca logbook, was raced as recently as sno drift '12. It has "bilstein suspension" I'm assuming dampers and who knows what for springs, has a quaife, fuel and brake lines rerouted inside, and other various rally mods. Spare trans, rear axle, subframe and control arms. 2 sets of used Lassa's on VW wheels.

Anyway the reason I'm posting is because having never bought a rally car before I just want to make sure I don't overlook anything. So what questions should I be asking? What to look for in the logbook. I'm not really sure about the price either, seems kind of high. He's asking $8k. I still need to go see the car in person, just thought I'd post up here so I can be a little more prepared when I do go look at it.

Thanks for any input..

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You are going in the right direction, it is much cheaper to buy a used car than to build. 8k is pretty high for an ABA equipped car and a grandfathered cage unless it is immaculate. Quaife is better than an open diff, but not by much....Bilstein suspension: could be good, could be bad, depends on what it really is....inserts are not much better than stock, look for coils and travel with good rates.

It really depends on the build, but I would be thinking it is a 16v car with a really sweet transmission for 8k...

Look for reinforced a-arms, reinforced rear beam, protectected exhaust/underbody, a nice interior layout with enough room for driver and co-driver

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I think I found the ad on SS....Remember a Tim Oneil car with have alot of bends to it from hard driving for years.

It looks like it might have an ABA with a 16v head on it...I would wonder how they accomplished that. Forged pistons or factory ABF pistons? was it rebuit?

A good 020 trans is cruical with these cars....check what code/gearing it is, you want a 4k or 2H, or something with a 4.20 ring and pidion at minimum. The quaife is not great.

I don't think I would buy that for 8k, 5k with the trailer and spares would be more reasonable. Factor in the price of buying transmission parts.

That AE 86 in Portland, OR looks like a better buy...

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It's not a 16v, just an ABA, chip, idk about a cam. I'm looking to stick with a mk2 VW because of knowledge of the cars and spares that I already have, my 16v car would become a parts car. I don't think the seller has much knowledge about the car, just what team oneil told him when they sold it to him. I was thinking that price is a bit steep for basically a stock 8v car. My thinking was even if it's not the fastest trickiest car it's been proven reliable, I think it would be a decent starter car, I just wish it was cheaper. He said he has thousands more in it than what he's asking which could be true, it was posted on team oneils site for $10k about a year ago. In the past year or so of looking I haven't seen much for sale on the east coast, and I'm hesitant to drive cross country to buy a car.

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Less talk. More rally.

That car might be getting a bit tired but I haven't driven it. I know the passenger rear wheel was torn off at NEFR and the Jamie and Scott had a heck of a time with the brakes at STPR last year but it does make good time. any idea how many events that thing has in the logbook?

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It's not a 16v, just an ABA, chip, idk about a cam. I'm looking to stick with a mk2 VW because of knowledge of the cars and spares that I already have, my 16v car would become a parts car. I don't think the seller has much knowledge about the car, just what team oneil told him when they sold it to him. I was thinking that price is a bit steep for basically a stock 8v car. My thinking was even if it's not the fastest trickiest car it's been proven reliable, I think it would be a decent starter car, I just wish it was cheaper. He said he has thousands more in it than what he's asking which could be true, it was posted on team oneils site for $10k about a year ago. In the past year or so of looking I haven't seen much for sale on the east coast, and I'm hesitant to drive cross country to buy a car.

rule#1 of racecars/hotrods: Its worth half what you paid for it, if you got it part by part, Prodrive built it, or you just bought it from craigslist, its still worth half what you paid. Offer the guy 5K and remeber someday you'll be scraping to get 3 for it.

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It's not a 16v, just an ABA, chip, idk about a cam. I'm looking to stick with a mk2 VW because of knowledge of the cars and spares that I already have, my 16v car would become a parts car. I don't think the seller has much knowledge about the car, just what team oneil told him when they sold it to him. I was thinking that price is a bit steep for basically a stock 8v car. My thinking was even if it's not the fastest trickiest car it's been proven reliable, I think it would be a decent starter car, I just wish it was cheaper. He said he has thousands more in it than what he's asking which could be true, it was posted on team oneils site for $10k about a year ago. In the past year or so of looking I haven't seen much for sale on the east coast, and I'm hesitant to drive cross country to buy a car.

use a stack of 20s



rule#1 of racecars/hotrods: Its worth half what you paid for it, if you got it part by part, Prodrive built it, or you just bought it from craigslist, its still worth half what you paid. Offer the guy 5K and remeber someday you'll be scraping to get 3 for it.

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Thanks for the responses. I think the guy paid too much bc he didn't really know what he was buying, I don't want to make the same mistake. I just wish there were more cars on the market. It hasn't been listed long so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't move much on the price. I'm driving up at the end of the month to look at it, I guess we'll see what happens then.

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Less talk. More rally.

I agree on getting the AE86. You will have a much funner time with RWD.

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my advice is be patient, search "ALLOFCRAIGS.com" under rally car, scca, caged, race car, etc. . .

I found a bit of a gem after looking for two months, and had to drive a ways to get it, but it turned out to be a classic, build a rally car, run out of money, maybe some other factors, and had to get rid of it for nothing.

Always lowball a race car, there are only a handful of people looking for a race car, so buyer market!!

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I agree on getting the AE86. You will have a much funner time with RWD.

And I agree with you agreeing. So we're all in agreement.

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I agree on getting the AE86. You will have a much funner time with RWD.

And I agree with you agreeing. So we're all in agreement.

Thirdsies.

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This is an uncharacteristically agreeable thread. Somebody needs to be a naysayer and get an argument going. All this getting along is boring to read.

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This is an uncharacteristically agreeable thread.

No it isn't

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Somebody needs to be a naysayer and get an argument going.

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This is an uncharacteristically agreeable thread.

No it isn't

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Somebody needs to be a naysayer and get an argument going.

Leave it to Morison . . .. Sheesh.

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