I thought I replied earlier.

Bob Legere got me a nice small cooler for a beer to be named later...I just need lines and a Volvo turbo filter sandwich plate to make that happen. But no luck at Holland. Plenty of 850s/S and V70s though.

Got the black XR4 on the road for reals today, has a current inspection sticker and everything! Will be in contact soon to get the rear coil overs to have coils over them. But it works pretty decent as is, although I need to be doing twice the speed limit to smooth out the bumps!

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Yes they can. You just have to replace the roof with a metal one and prove that it's equivalent to or stronger than the original.

They're a lousy candidate for rallying though.

What makes you say that? Have you ever driven one hard on gravel? I have, and they work very well. Very easy to drive, teaches good car control skills, and durable. There are 2 of them owned by dirt fish employees, and they get thrashed on for a full day usually once per week during "teaching days"

Why yes, yes I have. In fact, I have one. A '95. Set up to be a trackable streetcar. Nice little cars, good engine, reliable transmission, decent LSD. And yes, Ken Tooker drove one at Prescott about 13 years ago. And yes, Randy Zimmer ran one at the GRC last year. And yes, I've seen other people run them at rallycrosses. Despite that, I still maintain they're a terrible candidate, mostly because they have a teeny little suspension that's great for the road but doesn't have much travel at all, particularly in the back. And the tight double-A-arm makes changing shocks/springs in a hurry difficult. And they've got no room for a spare tire. Or a decent rally rollcage. And their steering rack hangs out in a location that's beautiful for catching the nearest rock.

I didn't say you couldn't do it, just that they're a lousy candidate. I like seeing weird cars - like Eric "TLAR" Larsen's AWD Del Sol - but it'd take a heckuva lot of fab to make a Miata work reliably as a rally car.

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Run what ya brung!!!

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Less talk. More rally.

found a 91, 740, 5spd, turbo for 1700.

Seems a bit high, but looks like its in good nick.

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found a 91, 740, 5spd, turbo for 1700.

Seems a bit high, but looks like its in good nick.

Hey if'd I'd got back to ya you'd know that the rules are clear on this: Unless you are a "has been" X-treme sports hero in a branch that appeals to brain dead from excess TV and Energy Drinks 14 y.o. white boys, you may not drive a turbo car in one of the 3 Norte Americano sactioning bodies.

See its like this.. the rules allow a total newb, a clueless snivelling punk with head full of visions staright off of youtube--OR an affluent old codger who now the kids are past 30 and left the home he's gonna play to come to me and build a nice proper torquey, max 7000 rpm, 235 bhp n.a. motor, shove a 2.25 first-to 1:1 top close ratio gearset, run that thru a 5.1 axle in a 1080kg car,
and no matter what!

That car is guaranteed to never harm a spectator cause it's n.a.

BUT!

If there's a turbo one it, even if totally stock and stock management, stock gearing, then..........

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CERTAIN AND SWIFT DEATH AND DEVASTATION is the INEVITABLE RESULT.

I'm sure Dr. Science could explain it better but the whistling sound of the turbo evidently hypnotizes newbs, the chirping of waste gates and the chuff is then mistaken as communication with Universal Truths at a higher level of consciousness, and newbs forget where they are and what they're doing..

the inexorable result is a trail of smashed, crumpled bodies lining the stages like picket fences flattened in a hurricane of turbo boost fueled aggression.

Unless of course you do NASA or CARS events, then NEVERMIND!

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Wha? you mean us newbs cant drop a quad turbo v12 in our rigs?

Understand. Turbo out. Not saying I am a total newb to cars and there ways to kill me and themselves, but I agree. If I were to try a stage rally then why limit myself because I have a turbo. NA power it is. Makes things a little easier to find anyways.

I need to look at the rule book and find a rallyx class I would enjoy. Maybe you guys can help me out with this. If I build something to a class, where do you find the appeal?

Lastly, every time I read about rallyx I hear MUD!, is that the typical? Growing up on a farm, I know how greasy patches of dirt behave with 2WD. If I were to step into just the known rallyx for the next couple of seasons, would I better to try 4WD?

Food for thought

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I need to look at the rule book and find a rallyx class I would enjoy. Maybe you guys can help me out with this. If I build something to a class, where do you find the appeal?

if you're planning on running locally:
a) take a look at local results to see what class participation looks like
b) pick something that tickles your fancy and go for it.

if you're planning on running nationally:
* Car choice IS very important for the Stock class, fairly important for Prepared, and unimportant for Modified. (2 years ago, M2 was won by a car that was eligible for Prepared - and not a super light choice either. Same car/driver was still in the trophies last year.)
* The deepest competition is in SA and PA. MA and MF come next, but tend to only have 2-3 people really fighting at the top.

If I were going to focus on rallyx, I'd pick up a 2.5RS/Early WRX/Early Evo and run SA in it. But - we have few-to-no competitors locally in the Stock/Prepared 2wd classes, and competition nationally in those classes is slim as well.

I personally would skip mod (from a "focus on rallyx" standpoint), just because the rules are, IMO, poorly written, untested, and the national results make it clear that, in that class, the car doesn't really matter.

In reality, RallyX is a shits-and-giggles exercise for me, so I run a car I'm considering using for stage rally.

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Lastly, every time I read about rallyx I hear MUD!, is that the typical?

All depends on where you're running. I've heard rumors that, in the NW, even if the weather is nice, they're heavy-handed with the water truck - so lots of mud. In Utah, we've never run a water truck.

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Mud is not typical here. We have a semi permanent rallyx course at the local off road motorsports area.

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Lemons Miata.
No, seriously, just use that to do rallycross.
You can also do the Rally America Rally Cross at NJMP.
Why not also make it stage rally legal. Might be hard with a Miata though.

But there are many cars that could be legal for stage rally, Lemons/Chump, and Rally America Rallycross and SCCA Rallycross. You could at least get through all but stage rally with the Miata and why have multiple race cars?

I'm planning on building my Integra this way. Only difference to meet legality of LeMons/Chump is swapping out the suspension.

The transition from a dedicated RallyX to stage rally car is just the cage/seats/belts which you should really have a good seat and belts so you're concentrating more on driving the car then keeping yourself in the seat. Depending on rallycross region, you might or might not need a skid plate (Detroit region keeps saying you don't need one, but I think otherwise) but it's a good insurance to have.

If you're stuck on RWD I would go for a BMW. If you're going for FWD a Focus, Civic/Integra, MK2/MK3 VW.

As said earlier, go to an event and find the classes that are competitive and then build your car to that class. I haven't really seen many RWD cars topping results that I have seen. I've seen plenty of FTD set by FWD and AWD cars. You don't need some crazy HP and a turbo, just something small/light/tossable.

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Wha? you mean us newbs cant drop a quad turbo v12 in our rigs?

Max you already have a x-treme name, did you ever ride tricycles and do doubles with 'em?
Think hard now: did you ever do any child's play so obsessively that you can do some tumbling/gymnastic moves with whatever kid's toy like a Stig-ray bike or a skate board, until you were an adult?
Did you have your own contract with Wasserman Media Management?
Do you have a soul patch and any piecings so you're hip for the white suburban boys 14-24 years old, the "target Demographics"?

If so you can get an exemption, I'm sure.

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

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Wha? you mean us newbs cant drop a quad turbo v12 in our rigs?

Just picked this up for the celica.

Summit Point is clay so wet and slick when wet, hard and fast when dry with a possible loose surface on top. Course is "worn in" to the fields they use, good elevation changes, usually pretty fast for rallyx, they have a water truck in the summer (I think).

If you want to do rallyx and stage rally I would add suspension to what Billy had on his list. A lot of rallyx courses are pretty tight and slightly uprated stock suspension seems to better than real stage rally bits because weight transfer is easier on lighter vavling/spring rates (weight transfer is key for being fast at scca rallyx imo). I would stick with modified 2 because that is where you will default to if you get a logbook of any sorts.

We will be there on saturday for the test and tune; if you are there I'm in the yellow and white impreza.

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Stomp down on the exhilarator and hold on to the wheel.

This is the region

Looks like subies, e30s, a random accent, and rx7s are at the top in all various classes.

I'll look more into classifications

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Summit Point is clay so wet and slick when wet, hard and fast when dry with a possible loose surface on top. Course is "worn in" to the fields they use, good elevation changes, usually pretty fast for rallyx, they have a water truck in the summer (I think).

If you want to do rallyx and stage rally I would add suspension to what Billy had on his list. A lot of rallyx courses are pretty tight and slightly uprated stock suspension seems to better than real stage rally bits because weight transfer is easier on lighter vavling/spring rates (weight transfer is key for being fast at scca rallyx imo). I would stick with modified 2 because that is where you will default to if you get a logbook of any sorts.

We will be there on saturday for the test and tune; if you are there I'm in the yellow and white impreza.

I was suppose to be there as well for the test and tune to drive a friends car, that he hasnt bought yet. But we need to work on our lemons miata and I have people showing up at the shop to do so. Hopefully next event.... with something of my own....