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STPR 2012
May 04, 2012 05:46PM
who is ready for the big air competition at the fairgrounds ??

ps- i am available as a co-driver. anyone in need of a navii ???
looky looky i found a seat. thankyou!


-Brian



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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 11:52AM
Sure... If they build the jump right this time.

Regional Group 2 is looking good with 14 entries so far. Too bad greenhouse has moved to grp5 but its nice to see him get into something that is a little less beat. Think we'll see more of the national guys roll up after this past weekend.



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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 01:42PM
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Sure... If they build the jump right this time.

Regional Group 2 is looking good with 14 entries so far. Too bad greenhouse has moved to grp5 but its nice to see him get into something that is a little less beat. Think we'll see more of the national guys roll up after this past weekend.


Even more beat after OTR. Did you see the pic of his old car going over the hill?


As far as entries they'll probably be around 50 is my guess. Hardly any of the top guys are signed up yet.
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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 03:02PM
you mean this? wasn't sure. heard they found a neon on craigslist and showed up to the guys house with a wad of cash and 5 mechanics to strip it.







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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 03:35PM
BRO- you mean this photo?
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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 05:09PM
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Sure... If they build the jump right this time.

Regional Group 2 is looking good with 14 entries so far. Too bad greenhouse has moved to grp5 but its nice to see him get into something that is a little less beat. Think we'll see more of the national guys roll up after this past weekend.

I'll be there to represent the Central G2. Not sure if Bushore is going to make it or not, but he mentioned an interest.


And to the guys who crashed in Greenhouse's old car, ouch...
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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 05:28PM
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you mean this? wasn't sure. heard they found a neon on craigslist and showed up to the guys house with a wad of cash and 5 mechanics to strip it.



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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 05:46PM
Drivers fault. I think the driver has a lot of previous racing exp. but first rally. Co-drivers first rally. If you're not on the notes/cant trust them as a driver you can just drive balls out like that.
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Re: STPR 2012
May 07, 2012 07:28PM
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Re: STPR 2012
May 08, 2012 12:15AM
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Drivers fault. I think the driver has a lot of previous racing exp. but first rally. Co-drivers first rally. If you're not on the notes/cant trust them as a driver you can just drive balls out like that.

Still both at fault though. They work together as a team, they fail as a team.

I wish I could see the damn video and it wasn't washed out to find when he was calling the notes. But basically, the driver was coming into a turn waaaaaaaaaaay too hot and shouldn't have been without knowing what was going on. Co-driver called the first line way too fast, second line too slow and third line even slower without any sort of emphasis on the ! in time.

If you look closer at the notes:


You can see where they omitted A LOT of stuff from there it looks like. Co-driver was behind on the notes as well and didn't emphasize the caution fast approaching. Notes read

Start _______ 100 ______ stay in ___ L3+
R5 into smcr 50 smcr 40
smcr ______rocks________ !L4

Also the co-driver actually called the 50 a 100. I don't see any sort of highlighting or emphasis on the ! either. I'm kind of surprised that something like this wouldn't have been mentioned by Wyatt as their team manager.

But I love the co-driver comment at the end "Do you think we can get out of this?" when they're pretty much nose deep in a ditch.
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Re: STPR 2012
May 08, 2012 01:20AM
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But I love the co-driver comment at the end "Do you think we can get out of this?" when they're pretty much nose deep in a ditch.

I wondered about that too. I think he might have been talking about just being able to get out of the car. If he meant car back on road spinning smiley sticking its tongue out



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Re: STPR 2012
May 08, 2012 06:48AM
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Drivers fault. I think the driver has a lot of previous racing exp. but first rally. Co-drivers first rally. If you're not on the notes/cant trust them as a driver you can just drive balls out like that.

Still both at fault though. They work together as a team, they fail as a team.

I wish I could see the damn video and it wasn't washed out to find when he was calling the notes. But basically, the driver was coming into a turn waaaaaaaaaaay too hot and shouldn't have been without knowing what was going on. Co-driver called the first line way too fast, second line too slow and third line even slower without any sort of emphasis on the ! in time.

If you look closer at the notes:


You can see where they omitted A LOT of stuff from there it looks like. Co-driver was behind on the notes as well and didn't emphasize the caution fast approaching. Notes read

Start _______ 100 ______ stay in ___ L3+
R5 into smcr 50 smcr 40
smcr ______rocks________ !L4

Also the co-driver actually called the 50 a 100. I don't see any sort of highlighting or emphasis on the ! either. I'm kind of surprised that something like this wouldn't have been mentioned by Wyatt as their team manager.

But I love the co-driver comment at the end "Do you think we can get out of this?" when they're pretty much nose deep in a ditch.



I'd agree, but still first rally for the codriver and as a driver taking a turn that hot without knowing whats coming up is pretty dangerous.
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Re: STPR 2012
May 08, 2012 09:18AM
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smcr 50 smcr 40
smcr ______rocks________ !L4

While I agree he was behind, if it was a "small crest" as indicated by Jemba, you can typically see over those. And you should definitely notice the there are trees blocking your way on a !L4.

Nonetheless, I agree, a team is a team, and it does happen. Mistakes all around.
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Re: STPR 2012
May 08, 2012 09:42AM
I left my notes in the driver's car, but that section was insanely difficult to drive through. Very rough and slick.

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You can see where they omitted A LOT of stuff from there it looks like. Co-driver was behind on the notes as well and didn't emphasize the caution fast approaching.
A lot of stuff could be easily removed from those notes, but I will say they were probably the best set of Jemba notes I've seen in a long time. At times you could have removed any and all small crests in jemba (on brooklyn, as an example) but not at this event. We didn't remove as much as I thought we would.

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I don't see any sort of highlighting or emphasis on the ! either. I'm kind of surprised that something like this wouldn't have been mentioned by Wyatt as their team manager.
It has been a long time since I've highlighted notes.
When you go fast, everything is important, so why make a caution stand out when a minus is just as important and can have just as big of an impact. If someone isn't confident of being able to stay on the notes, then highlighting (and a working odo) can help.



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Re: STPR 2012
May 09, 2012 10:41AM
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I left my notes in the driver's car, but that section was insanely difficult to drive through. Very rough and slick.

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You can see where they omitted A LOT of stuff from there it looks like. Co-driver was behind on the notes as well and didn't emphasize the caution fast approaching.
A lot of stuff could be easily removed from those notes, but I will say they were probably the best set of Jemba notes I've seen in a long time. At times you could have removed any and all small crests in jemba (on brooklyn, as an example) but not at this event. We didn't remove as much as I thought we would.

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I don't see any sort of highlighting or emphasis on the ! either. I'm kind of surprised that something like this wouldn't have been mentioned by Wyatt as their team manager.
It has been a long time since I've highlighted notes.
When you go fast, everything is important, so why make a caution stand out when a minus is just as important and can have just as big of an impact. If someone isn't confident of being able to stay on the notes, then highlighting (and a working odo) can help.

Yeah I do clean-up on notes as well. Mainly removing smcr at times. I'm not at the point where I can't highlight important stuff. I know WRC level guys don't do it, doesn't mean a guy on his first event shouldn't have any highlights though.

I do odd stuff too like if there is a ! at the end of a line, I'll put a ! at the start of the line. Pretty much for an example like this. If I saw the ! at the smcr I would have started reading it combined with the !LR. In recce I would have actually moved the ! up there in the first place.

Don't know what the original "stay in" was for because he didn't say a direction to turn. So I'm assuming it was a R6/L6 of the sort that was an easy read from the start. Whatever they deleted was underlined with the L3+ though.

The co-driver threw in the towel after this off and Wyatt is in for STPR so I hope it didn't turn him off from co-driving.
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