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the fiesta does seem like the next hot thing. I know Ed had a big silly grin when I was talking to him about his R2. would love to give one a try, the price tag however.

Yeah, it's a bit of a gulp to have a $70,000 car. I could have 4 of my car for that price! Why replace the windshield when I could have a spare car sitting there!!! I'd thought of renting one just to try it out, but they want $7500 a weekend. Combine that with logistics/entry/etc and that would eat up my yearly budget.

However, there are some good bits at a good deal it seems. I know a sequential box for my Civic would cost well above $12,000 range. And if I get this right, the R2 gearbox is only $7000? Granted you need axles/mounts/fab a shift lever and such. But still... drop in dog gears for my Civic would cost me in the $5000-$6000 range and that still sticks me with an H-pattern shift. Just removing the whole though process out of shifting I think would save a fraction of a second per corner, which adds up fast when you're on a long stage.

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http://www.rally-america.com/news/1194/
funny, I thought O'Leary and Brady finnished 3rd in the Finger Lakes Rally? Oh well, at least this guy knows how to get his name out there. Hell, I'm still talking about this guy. I bet no one is still talking about me.

Third place in P class, out of 3 finishers. AKA dead last P, BUT IT'S A PODIUM!!!! Overall he was 2nd to last. But they obviously leave that part out of the press release.

And I don't think us talking/mocking him is really going to get him a free ride anytime soon.

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Overall he was 2nd to last.

Depends how you look at it. Yes, 2nd to last of the finishers but he made it further than a dozen other cars, including another P car.

Don't get me wrong, the press release is about as optimistic picture you can paint, and is more than a bit missleading when it didn't have to be. That said I've seen plenty of bragging on this site about cars capable of being on the podium at events without clarifying that it was regional podiums being talked about.

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Someone needs to get on them to enter RWV.

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Someone needs to get on them to enter RWV.

I hear RWV is sometimes quick twisty, so are you saying if its twisty and everybody else slows down to a 40 mph average speed that these guys STPR average of 37 or 38 mph would be more competitive?

But wait...if they were averaging 37-38 mph on stages other similar cars were averaging 55 and the top 4wd turbo cars were averaging 75mph, wouldn't they slow down in proportion? Could it be possible we could see a 20 mph average speed? Would that be something to make a press release for Immediate Release about?

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I don't find the level of accuracy in that particular press release to be significantly different that of other press that I've seen.

*shrug* Don't we expect this by now? Isn't this what they say we're "supposed" to do?

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I don't find the level of accuracy in that particular press release to be significantly different that of other press that I've seen.

*shrug* Don't we expect this by now? Isn't this what they say we're "supposed" to do?

Anders

Does NASA really bring the grassroots heat like no other?

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Anders Green
I don't find the level of accuracy in that particular press release to be significantly different that of other press that I've seen.

*shrug* Don't we expect this by now? Isn't this what they say we're "supposed" to do?

Anders

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BillyElliot
However, there are some good bits at a good deal it seems. I know a sequential box for my Civic would cost well above $12,000 range. And if I get this right, the R2 gearbox is only $7000?

The Sadev box in the R2 can also be used on a k series motor, just need a different bell housing. The beefier one, ST82 I think, runs a bit more $$ but can handle more power than you need in FWD. It's on my christmas list....

So if they just happened to be the only finisher, everybody else, crashed, burned, broke, got lost, time barred , whatever...then we expect them to not accept the 1st place trophy, not claim the win, not be excited?

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Does NASA really bring the grassroots heat like no other?

I have not found evidence of similar heat elsewhere, Counselor.

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BillyElliot
Overall he was 2nd to last.

Depends how you look at it. Yes, 2nd to last of the finishers but he made it further than a dozen other cars, including another P car.

Don't get me wrong, the press release is about as optimistic picture you can paint, and is more than a bit missleading when it didn't have to be. That said I've seen plenty of bragging on this site about cars capable of being on the podium at events without clarifying that it was regional podiums being talked about.

If someone is putting out press releases.

But this is just what I dislike about press releases. I really don't even want to put one out for myself (not like any of these teams have an actual PR person writing them, they're all Bob Dole'ing them).

But look at his times:
http://www.daronhume.com/rally/combine.php5?rally_id=STPR&rally_id_override=&rally_year=2012&start_stage=&end_stage=&watch_cars=&ignore_cars=&class_alias=G5%3E2WD%2CG2%3E2WD%2CP%3E2WD%2C&class_filter=2WD%2C&stage_skip=

Pretty consistant at the dead back of the pack. I could get in a P car too, in a class that nobody really enters (let alone anyone competitive in 2WD overall) and finish "on the podium" every race if I wanted to.

Hell, my G2 VW GTI I first owned WAS a P class car. I entered all events under G2 because I have pride in racing not just finishing.

/endrant

P.S. I had looked into renting a B-Spec car for NEFR but O'Neil only has R2's for rent. Bummer...

Exactly, you don't see press releases for billy mann 2nd overall in regional driving a honda. because you should, but you don't, dammit why am I still talking about this guy!

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However, there are some good bits at a good deal it seems. I know a sequential box for my Civic would cost well above $12,000 range. And if I get this right, the R2 gearbox is only $7000?

The Sadev box in the R2 can also be used on a k series motor, just need a different bell housing. The beefier one, ST82 I think, runs a bit more $$ but can handle more power than you need in FWD. It's on my christmas list....

Yeah but I'm running a b-series, the bastard child of the motor world that runs anti-clockwise. :-/

By the time I actually have a budget to build a sequential into my car, I'll probably be on the last legs of my second shell and thinking of building my Mazda2 into a rally car. At that point, I can just swap all the R2 bits into it and be good to go? But I'd still think a mild modded MS1 would be a fine and dandy regional G2 car for sure.

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Sean Burke
Exactly, you don't see press releases for billy mann 2nd overall in regional driving a honda. because you should, but you don't, dammit why am I still talking about this guy!

Well, I would have to write up a release for myself to do that. Anyone got some Faux sponsors they want me to thank?



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However, there are some good bits at a good deal it seems. I know a sequential box for my Civic would cost well above $12,000 range. And if I get this right, the R2 gearbox is only $7000?

The Sadev box in the R2 can also be used on a k series motor, just need a different bell housing. The beefier one, ST82 I think, runs a bit more $$ but can handle more power than you need in FWD. It's on my christmas list....

The R2 box would be a waste of money in a k series. Its too weak for a 2L motor and since it was a high volume low budget deal, its got a lot of cut corners. Cases are cracking and teeth have started chipping off on bumpy tar, and the shift drums create a wear groove and causes bad shifting.

The better unit would also be a direct bolt on, is the Sadev SRR3 that goes on the Honda Civic R3 and Clio R3. Takes a lot more TQ, and is a 6spd. It is based of their ST line of boxes that have been around from the Peugeot days. Tried and trued. Cost is I think 9000 euros for this one.

Or you can go for the Quaife's new FWD universal Seq, £7000 after all said and done.