Transporting Fuel Across Canadian Border

If I end up doing Olympus this year, Rally America/VP offers insane deals on fuel compared to the "bend over and take it" pricing I have found up here (maybe I am looking in the wrong places? But I'm doubtful). I'd probably want to bring back quite a few barrels (considering there is PFR, Kananaskis, maybe Tall Pines, and Big White left in the year alone, let alone next season).

Anyone had any problems with bringing fuel across the border? It's a worthwile enough deal to stock up for a years worth of racing as I don't know when I'll be down there again...

From what I understand, shelf life is not very good on race gas so might want to consider not much more than a few gallons. Pat Richard might be the one to talk to about how difficult it is or is not.

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From what I understand, shelf life is not very good on race gas so might want to consider not much more than a few gallons. Pat Richard might be the one to talk to about how difficult it is or is not.

This.

Although, maybe an unopened barrel may be ok?


What is RA's pricing on the stuff?

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It's not worth it. The money you save will not offset the head aches, let alone one of the many possible nightmare scenarios.

How do you plan to explaine several drums of fuel at the boarder?

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From what I understand, shelf life is not very good on race gas so might want to consider not much more than a few gallons. Pat Richard might be the one to talk to about how difficult it is or is not.

This.

Although, maybe an unopened barrel may be ok?


What is RA's pricing on the stuff?

VP says shelf life is good for up to 2 years in a climate controlled scenario. Shelf life of the fuel (since I don't have to worry about say, lead seperating out) is 'probably' the least of my worries.

RA says ~$435 for a 205L barrel, which is $400 cheaper than what the VP distributor in Calgary wants.

I'm not so worried about a barrel or two, as I've done that before but it's also been bringing it back and forth. I'm curious about buying 5 barrels in the US and bringing it back, which may have different repurcusions.

Ever consider mapping the car for pump gas, then learning to drive harder?

Learning is usually the best dollar to return expenditure, and once you fill your brain, it doesn't run out or have a shelf life.

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Despite the labeling I can't imagine it lasting 2 years.

I 'd bet hitting the border with that much fuel, no hazmat placards or some sort of permits, will cause all sorts of grief.

holy crap $485 / drum?!?! even that is nuts!

E-85?

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I don't think you could get more than a couple of drums across the border without it turning into a big drama. Transporting that much could bring some issues all by itself. (Except once you're back in alberta where there are no restrictions on the amount of 'personal' Fuel you can carry.

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http://www.telsafe.org/Documents/NTSPGas-DieselFuelTransportation.pdf

If that's up to date you'd be limited to 3 30gallon drums before needing a CDL and placards on the vehicle. A 4th would put you over the limit by 1 gal.

I'm with John on the pump gas though.. If you're posting here you're not that close to the pointy end of the stick where paying nearly 2-3x the cost to fill the car up with fuel would make that much of a difference.


edit: math fail.

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I'm with John on the pump gas though.. If you're posting here you're not that close to the pointy end of the stick where paying nearly 2-3x the cost to fill the car up with fuel would make that much of a difference.

Except that Adam is different.
He has the driving knowledge and raw talent to be faster than the majority of the pack right out of the box... just ask him.

To be fair, he finished 5th out of 24, starting 22nd on the road in his first rally as a driver, but more importantly, he was 1:41.7 off of First (race gas,) 56.1 seconds out of 2nd overall (pump gas), and 12.7 seconds away from a podium finish.( (3rd: pumpgas, 4th PGT Racegas)... He also collected 55 seconds in penalties)

That means that on pure pace he was less than a tenth of a second per Km off of the winning pace, not counting the penalities, in the Tal[hoon], although some of that came from blowing through a chicane and not slowing down.

Of course on his second event he was more than 5 sec/k off the winning time for the first stage, but the winner was Antoine L'Estage, so I think that's a bit more understandable. He was ~1.75 sec/k off the fastest regional car, his old ride as a co-driver, but many drivers are slow starters. His second stage for Rocky didn't go that well.

This is also a pace that is easily within reach (40 seconds, or 2 tenths of a second per Km) of fifth overall at Oregon this year, 1.4 seconds/k off the podium and a mere 4.4 seconds/k off of Higgin's pace (shows how little higgins was pushing, and the fact he had problems.)

When you're getting down to differences of under a half second per Km, everything counts. Could that gap be closed by driving alone and not using fuel or tires to help? Maybe, but why go into a gun fight with a knife to start with?

I probably wouldn't run a car that needs race gas, but I'm not about to tell someone they shouldn't.

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E-85?

I saw a rally/hill climb Evo put down >700 whp on E85 on the dyno yesterday...

I put a gallon or two of one year old race gas into the Impreza the other day to get it running. It was also fine to get the Starlet running a few months ago. That's the only fuel we have laying around so it keeps getting used...

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blah blah blah blah

I probably wouldn't run a car that needs race gas, but I'm not about to tell someone they shouldn't.

I wouldn't tell anyone either.
I would suggest it. And did.

But if he wants to waste piles of money and negect the important skills, that's his bidness. What's money anyway?

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But if he wants to waste piles of money and negect the important skills, that's his bidness. What's money anyway?

The point of the 'blah, blah, blah' is that, from what I've heard, Adam feels he has the 'important skills' already under control and - more importantly - when you look at his comparative stage times (not just finishing positions, but actual PACE) then he's probably not wrong. (even if he doesn't H&T)

Of course the comparison is in what some would call the 'absurdly slow' north american talent pool, but it is what it is. It is the competition he's up against. To run that pace in his first couple of events shows that he can drive, now he just needs to learn to stay on the road, not hit chicanes, and get to the end. We've also yet to see him spend a lot of time on twisty technical stages.

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