Transporting Fuel Across Canadian Border
Posted by HiTempguy
Jason Powers Junior Moderator Location: Lyons, CO Join Date: 08/02/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 326 Rally Car: 02 WRX, still to quiet, but it finished a rally |
Seems reasonable enough then. Carry on 
When I think 'needs race gas' I'm thinking $10-15k crawford style engine. Not that I have much room to talk, there's a station around here that sells about any variety of fuel you could think of. I tend to stop by it on the way to rallycrosses and put the 95 or 97 octane stuff in just to get something that isn't E10.
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Banned Infallible Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
Clearly where people choose to post dictates what gas they should run...  Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned. |
Jason Powers Junior Moderator Location: Lyons, CO Join Date: 08/02/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 326 Rally Car: 02 WRX, still to quiet, but it finished a rally |
Well, we haven't been graced by Higgins or Crazy Leo's presence
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Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
Wow, this thread exploded. This will be my one and only post for quite a while (I think) as I work the next 8 days straight with 14-16 hour days up North
First thing I did when the offer to purchase the car came in was to call the builder as I had raced in it before and had some questions. Firstly, who do you trust to tune it? I certainly trust no one in Alberta, but maybe that is just me (this ain't no Talhoon)! Anyone I'd want to do it, would charge $1k to get it back to an optimal pump gas tune. DIY? Pass, I'd rather be racing than tuning. So, if it's going to be $1k to tune it, why not just spend the $1k on race fuel? That's 3 events worth. Maybe in 3 events I'd say "hey, I wanna try race fuel" and then what?
See above Also, E85 gets all complicated by mileage, I'd most definitely run it out of fuel at some point!
Good thing my co-driver has a CDL licence with a hazardous material endoresement eh? As for the pace thing, well, I guess I'm not that pointy (except my head). Will have to look further, thanks for the link!
Aww Keith, you're making me blush!
Woawoawoa, blew threw a chicane says what now? No chicanes were blown through, every single one was a tap of the sideview mirror on Jeff's side *of course. Pure pace alone, I was a tenth of a second per k off. 10 of those seconds were also from the Boris fiasco (not to mention how much time I lost on stage when they assigned me a time). But I digress :p
You mean on my second event where everyone ahead of me after the first stage was on muds and I was on soft dmacks? And their cars were worth an order of magnitude more than mine? And I was still 6th overall nationally? With virtually no notes? It's all coming back to me now, I forgot how poorly I was doing! 
I would, because it would be stupid, unless there were extenuating circumstances, which for 99% of people, there wouldn't be. The unfortunate thing for the lot of you is that it doesn't really matter how many cars I ball up, I'm in this for the long run 
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Oh look, waffles.... Mega Moderator Location: Earth Join Date: 03/06/2012 Posts: 103 Rally Car: see you on the stages |
Here is an idea, Call the Canadian customes people and ask
http://www.dutyfreecanada.com/border-facts/ Or TMGTFY You could also get hit with a tax when you come across the border. Since your over the duty free limits (if they use that for this type of item). you could be looking at at least the "savings" in taxes and possibly fine if you dont declare it coming across. I would just call them and ask. And the race fuel or no race fuel debate is not always about performance. If you tune an engine close to the edge you need a consistent octane. We all know (or should) that the number on the pump is not the octane that comes out of the hose. Some times its cheaper to run race fuel just for the security of not burning up an engine. Plus its one more thing that you can control in terms of avoidable DNF's. Love how some people will spend 3 or 4K on an engine (hardware and software) and then complain about an extra couple hundered bucks an event (if event that) for race fuel... Oh and Adam, you were not the only one on the wrong tires. at least you had SOFT gravels. we were on Mediums!!! Regardless of what you say the reason, you went off the road at Rocky because you could not resist wipping your slong out trying to show eveyone how big it was (We know you will never admit it)Intercom and electronics dude. www.zerodegreec.ca Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2012 01:50PM by zerodegreec. |
kevin zidkovich Ultra Moderator Location: edmonton Join Date: 01/07/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 84 Rally Car: 1980 242 |
Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
Hey Kevin, hopping between Syncrude (doing some maintenance on some special equipment we have installed there) and then up to KEARL for a week in Wapasu camp working on some super secret stuff
Anyways, fun-rant time! I have never said I went off the road for any other reason besides my own stupidty. Never ever ever. But I could have been faster (for one stage :p ). Last time I checked, even the best dudes crash occasionally, it's part of rallying. I mean, I could have driven 8s/km slower and stayed on the road, but then what would be the point in that? I don't spend thousands of dollars to drive a road slower than I would in a daily driver... No need for me to whip my dick out either, as a band once so eloquently sang "my cock is much bigger than yours!" lol I was hoping to avoid the circle jerk that is customs, especially for such a specific (and non-commercial) question. I can't make phone calls during business hours, so it's also tough to get ahold of them. Emails take forever for them to reply. I'll eventually call when I get a chance Being able to save $1200 in race fuel before the end of the year almost covers my entry at Olympus. It makes it worthwhile to get at LEAST 3 54 gallon barrels. Really, by my calculations, I'd use 4 barrels of fuel quite easily in 12 months from October 1st, so no worries about fuel quality there.
As for the money side of the equation, why wouldn't I save money so I can rally more? I bought a car, not built it. If I built a car, it'd be NOTHING like this one. But it wouldn't have been nearly as cost effective to do so. Sustainable rallying? Nawwwww! I'm confident I can kick-ass, if anyone has a problem with my confidence, their problem I can also look back and say I had fun, even after the crash Rather than looking back and going "wow, Chris Duplessis would probably beat me in a 2wd car with half the power, how embarassing". Because I kid you not, if I do compete at Olympus and Chris were to beat me, I'd probably at the very least cry if not find a bridge.
Edit- Which is to say, Chris is an amazing driver, but he can't defy physics! Edit edit- Which is to say, rather than beating him on skill pace-wise, I'll just beat him with a faster car and mediocre skills  Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2012 10:31PM by HiTempguy. |
Grant Hughes Ultra Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
You might be surprised how hard that actually is to do. Grant Hughes |
Doug Heredos Junior Moderator Location: Tigard, Oregon Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 142 |
It's definitely a worthy goal! I'd be stoked if I beat Chris. BTW, Adam- For PFR last year, I passed through the border and back with a 50 gallon drum on an open trailer. Nobody ever batted an eye. It was just ONE drum, though. And they did eyeball inside the van (where there were also several 5 gallon dump cans)... but didn't ask any questions about what was in them at all. Hope to see you at Olympus! Doug |
Brian Johnson Mega Moderator Location: Park City, UT Join Date: 12/17/2006 Posts: 166 Rally Car: Co-Driver - Old School Motorsports WRX |
I like your attitude..! And I've got $20 on Chris. :-) -Brian Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2012 12:01AM by Brian Johnson. |
Oh look, waffles.... Mega Moderator Location: Earth Join Date: 03/06/2012 Posts: 103 Rally Car: see you on the stages |
John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Banned Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
I dunno. The 'mitsubishi' was well damaged and while it was 'just sheet metal' it would have put him thousands more in parts, labour and paint into the car, fincancially burrying him in it. (As in more money in than the could possibly get out.) Instead, as I understand it, he parted the car out and either broke even, including the costs of getting the car to Alberta, or even saw a slight surplus. Probably not a bad move to liquidate the car, particularly a Talon, when you can get your investment back out. That's hard to do with a rally car, particularly one you've just rolled. The car market in North America, particularly the rally car market, is different and that statement is out to lunch on this side of the pond. The reality of the North American Rally Car market is there are many, many Subarus out there for each Mitsubishi on the market. (Not to mention that the earliest domestic market evo in Canada is the Evo X) But, in this case it doesn't really matter because I don't think Adam bought a Subaru because he wanted to buy a Subaru, he bought one because the right deal on a used rally car came up. He bought a car he knew well (going back to the original owner of the shell when it was a daily driver,) a car he had competed in as a co-driver, and a car that was relatively local to him. Besides, Subaru has a long history of supporting national competitors with contingency programs, so there is some money that comes back to subaru drivers that no longer exists for Mitsubishi drivers. (sort of a false economy since the contingency payouts are a fraction of your event costs, but something is better than nothing - unless you're tripped into spending $2000 more just to qualify for a $200 contingency. Or if you just learn how to drive. We all know that there are only a couple of drivers in North America, at most, who are actually driving to near the limit of their car's potential. For the most part it's the driver, not the car, that will move a team up the results and we see examples of this regularly. What we also see are 20,000 subarus beating 60,000 mitsus all day long. Could Adam rally sustainably for a fraction of what he'll spend on his Subaru? Absolutely. Will it be the same type of rallying that he wants to do? probably not. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Banned Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Not nearly as much as you. Sorry, I guess I mistook your focussing only on how much more a subaru would cost than a mitusbishi as being something to do with the price of the cars - in other words the 'market.' (and the reason for my post is that when buying prepared rally cars, mitsus are not cheaper than subarus in north america) Now that you change your tune to suitability of the platform, you're into a different discussion and I wouldn't disgree with your points. And you give me shit for stating the obvious? I learn stuff every day. That's because I'm open to discussion and listening to opinions and ideas. Just 'cause I don't blindly listen to you and accept your word as gospel doesn't mean I don't listen to people and don't learn from those I can learn from. In this case, however, Adam has show that he doesn't particularly want to build his own car and wasn't interested in re-shelling the Talon and managed to get 'through' the talon at little to no cost of ownership. That's astoundingly hard to do with a rally car. Now, everything else aside, if you had the chance to buy a used rally car that you knew the complete history of, knew and trusted the people who built and maintained it, and considered the sell er a friend or you could buy a car where you didn't know the history, didn't know the bilder and didn't know the owner - which would you do? If both cars would 'do the job' how much would the make of car shift your decision. This might be obvious, but it sure gets forgotten. For some, rally is about driving down the stages and not about building the car. For others, they'd be happy building a car for years and not upset if they never get out on the stages. In the end, it's been said repeatedly, a good driver can take a moderate car to the top of the standings in North America. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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