Transporting Fuel Across Canadian Border

A quasi related question, now that FIA has put a ban on the GRC for FIA license holders, how is it Ken Block can race in a RA event? He can come up here to race (ASN / FIA sanction. If the FIA is serious about the GRC stance the Ken has to forfeit the WRC. But this also effects us CARS lic holders.

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GRC <> RA

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Grant Hughes

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GRC <> RA

Yes, but I was under the impression RA wasn't FIA affiliated either? What about nasarallysport? Is RNY actually in some way associated with the FIA (which Ken has also competed in)?

There's also this little part...
"events are not on the FIA international Calendar only licence holders from the USA are permitted to participate."

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Grant Hughes

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Bryan - 1, Adam - 0. Touche good sir, even I couldn't have dreamt up such a devious machination!

Bryan 0, Adam 0. I would rather see you in the car than on the sidelines due to a rule like this. I understand where it came from and all that Jazz, but I dont have to like it.

As a co-driver in a previous life, I am supprised you overlooked this one. you disapoint me Adam.

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you disapoint me Adam.

That's what she said

Also, nobody said I was a GOOD co-driver! Lol!

The US and Canada have long had arrangements on cross-border competitor licensing that are technically violations of the FIA rules, but have been ignored (at least as far as I or anyone that I have brought up the topic with know about).

Unless Adam has a FIA International License, neither the FIA vs GRC stuff nor ISC Appendix L concerns him.

Neither RA nor NRS are affiliated with the FIA. ACCUS is the ASN in the US. I don't know if they have delegated their rally authority to any group at this time. At one point, it was USAC, who was issuing licenses for the USRC.

alan

Actually traditionally many countries have mutual license agreements.
Swedish Licences were accepted in Norway and Finland and 99.9% certain in Danmark....officially there was some crap about "border provinces "
We see Dutch Volvo Original Cup in "Duitsland" and "duits" VOC cars in Nederland.

The came EU regulations about equal treatment under the law and then it became open field, so for example, a Pork-and-cheese licence holder must not be discriminated against by a Norskie official in any way, so just as all travel, educational and medical, and residency laws are moot, and all have all rights, so the sporting world must comply with EU laws on equal treatment...

So FIA can say what it wants about anything it wants but it could very conceivably find itself in a court of law, again.

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The situation that you describe is probably not a problem with the FIA because the licensing documents are not written in French or English. Also, the FIA has never let the law or the courts get in the way of what they want to do.

alan

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The situation that you describe is probably not a problem with the FIA because the licensing documents are not written in French or English.

Say wha?

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Also, the FIA has never let the law or the courts get in the way of what they want to do.

alan

But what they want and what they can legally do are of course two different things

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The situation that you describe is probably not a problem with the FIA because the licensing documents are not written in French or English.

Say wha?

If a document (including a website) is not written in French or English, then it might as well not exist as far as the FIA is concerned. And they only begrudgingly try to understand English.

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Also, the FIA has never let the law or the courts get in the way of what they want to do.

But what they want and what they can legally do are of course two different things

Unless you ask them. The legal end of the FIA thinks that the agreements that created the FIA trump national sovereignty, treaties, religious texts, laws of physics, ...

alan

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tipo158
The situation that you describe is probably not a problem with the FIA because the licensing documents are not written in French or English.

Say wha?

If a document (including a website) is not written in French or English, then it might as well not exist as far as the FIA is concerned. And they only begrudgingly try to understand English.

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Wrong and I gave you current examples and how the adjudication took place.

Another is the EU court rulings about hours commerical drivers eg those who drive for pay be it truck drivers or rally drivers, may drive in a 24 hour period and how much rest they have legal right to. Result---shorter mostly day rallies.

I do not believe that you are familair with how EU laws work in practice. you have no reason to know, so not surprising.

Also, the FIA has never let the law or the courts get in the way of what they want to do.

But what they want and what they can legally do are of course two different things

Unless you ask them. The legal end of the FIA thinks that the agreements that created the FIA trump national sovereignty, treaties, religious texts, laws of physics, ...

alan

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

So Alan, since I am bored and Mike Hurst hasn't gotten back to me yet, what do you think the odds of RA being open to the idea of me receiving a temp. licence? Max Riddle had done 3 events (Big White 2010, Perce 2011, and Cochrane 2011) and he competed in an open class car in at Olympus. By my calculations, that'd be 8 coefficients (in RA terms) of rallies entered, not enough to get out of a novice status.

Max had prior roadracing experience though, did he not?

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Max had prior roadracing experience though, did he not?

I have some as well, he did about 7 or 8 road races, plus his karting. Apparently he tested for TWELVE DAYS with Pat before doing Big White. That is definitely a lot more than I (two test days of about 30km each, the rally school, plus the 1.1 events).

I mean, he did race in the Playboy MX5 cup which is much more "prestigous" than my experience road racing, but I personally don't see why that matters. I also have a lot of time-attack experience. Considering this is rally where you race against the clock, I think time-attack is a relative cross-over.

So waaaaaaaaadunno. Impatiently waiting for Mr. Hursts email. Today is payday, and if I want to enter Olympus, the early-cutoff is Monday. Hope I get an answer shortly...

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Of course when inexperienced people don't listen, then its good to have a lot of money, it works for most people as a substitute for thinking.

We think so much alike John, in light of my experience, a Subaru seemed like a good way to go. Also, the last good deal on an Evo was a while ago down in the USofA (A $15k Evo6 that was done up very nicely). If you can't see the point in buying a solid but fast car, I can't help you there (not saying you can or can't, saying that IF you can't). Also, it would seem in NA that an Evo or STi, doesn't matter (again, it all comes down to skill). You seem to be under the impression about learning = good, well, I just bought a tool that should help me learn for a long time. I can't think of a single problematic area of a 2nd gen WRX/STi that is bad enough to warrant not racing it, besides the 5 speed. Luckily, that ain't my problem

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[redacted] has only competed at 2 rallies and is entered in the regional in an open class STi. I think I'm just going to send everything in today and let the chips fall where they may. I see no reason if he can compete in open that I can't.



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