Pikes Peak Evo Crash

Both occupants in hospital, one with serious but non life threatening injuries.

I read another report - seemingly from someone who knew them well - that said driver un-injured and co-driver dislocated shoulder, both released from hospital.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

From the driver's Facebook: I thought I posted already, but Yuri and I are ok. A little beaten up but nothing major. Thank you so much to everyone for the kindness and support! What a wonderful feeling to feel so loved!

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2012 11:26AM by Brian Johnson.

I saw something similar since posting the vid. A guy who was shooting photo's just before this point said one of his photos showed evidence of a fire under hood as they passed his vantage point. Waiting for him to upload the photos.

updates from build thread of the car shows everyone is ok.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/motor-sports/594243-evolution-dynamics-pikes-peak-build-19.html

Here's Paul Dallenbach's crash.
I've not heard anything regarding his status.




Valentin Ivanitski and Josh McGurkin also crashed in bottomless but both were okay.

A moto guy crashed and caused red flag situation as well.

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Grant Hughes

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Paul tweeted:

Throttle suck on me, very scary. nothing left of the car. Took a flight 4 life ride but today was not my day to go. I am very sore.

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aj_johnson
I saw something similar since posting the vid. A guy who was shooting photo's just before this point said one of his photos showed evidence of a fire under hood as they passed his vantage point. Waiting for him to upload the photos.

updates from build thread of the car shows everyone is ok.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/motor-sports/594243-evolution-dynamics-pikes-peak-build-19.html

It's strange, looking at the the Youtube comments and the comments on that build thread the car builder is being lauded as some genius cage builder. The cage isn't bad but it's not that great. Pretty minimal and and pretty poor fit and the door bars are a bit sketchy. Obviously it was good enough to do the job and keep the occupants safe, though, and that's the main thing. I think they were lucky there were no trees to hit. But Dave Kern gives some good advice early in the thread about adding some A pillar bars and the guy just blows it off. Lightweight at all costs seems to be his motto. The cage meets the minimum PPIHC rules so why make it any stronger and slow the car down is his attitude. It's really quite prophetic around page 6, 7, 8 or so. Someone even links the video to Bobby Regester's crash in the exact same spot from last year.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2012 05:59PM by Doivi Clarkinen.

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Doivi Clarkinen
It's strange, looking at the the Youtube comments and the comments on that build thread the car builder is being lauded as some genius cage builder. The cage isn't bad but it's not that great.

well, when you're used to seeing shit like this:

it doesn't take much to look like a genius cage builder...

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Aaron Luptak
well, when you're used to seeing shit like this:

it doesn't take much to look like a genius cage builder...

I posted a pic that showed a "cage" close to that on corner-carvers.com last year,
much giggling occurred...

Utter crap...

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SteveL
This is the point in the killing spree when you really should turn the gun on yourself

Did nobody notice that the door bars look JUST like that?

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Grant Hughes

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aj_johnson
I saw something similar since posting the vid. A guy who was shooting photo's just before this point said one of his photos showed evidence of a fire under hood as they passed his vantage point. Waiting for him to upload the photos.

updates from build thread of the car shows everyone is ok.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/motor-sports/594243-evolution-dynamics-pikes-peak-build-19.html

It's strange, looking at the the Youtube comments and the comments on that build thread the car builder is being lauded as some genius cage builder. The cage isn't bad but it's not that great. Pretty minimal and and pretty poor fit and the door bars are a bit sketchy. Obviously it was good enough to do the job and keep the occupants safe, though, and that's the main thing. I think they were lucky there were no trees to hit. But Dave Kern gives some good advice early in the thread about adding some A pillar bars and the guy just blows it off. Lightweight at all costs seems to be his motto. The cage meets the minimum PPIHC rules so why make it any stronger and slow the car down is his attitude. It's really quite prophetic around page 6, 7, 8 or so. Someone even links the video to Bobby Regester's crash in the exact same spot from last year.

The guy is an idiot.
total fawkin idjit.
Get's good advice and argues.
No stitch welding anywhere, idiot doesn't understand unibody and shell stiffness equals more control, especially if theres any Gs generated.


EDIT: I was wrong and I admit it. I said he was a fawkin idjit and I erred.
Reading the thread i see this:

Our own beloved Dave K speaking sanely and sensibly:

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Your cage looks stronger than mine for side impacts (read: another car crashing into you at the track), but I'd much rather roll over in my car. As others have said, it's all up to you guys to decide what's safe enough...I just think with zero experience at rally/hillclimb and a driver with what sounds like minimal high speed experience, listening to some folks with knowledge of such things is a smarter way to go rather than spouting off about how you've built your safety gear to the absolute minimum spec. Sure those extra 15 lbs might cost you what 2 seconds over the whole race course? IMO, not worth the tradeoff.

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our car clocked in around 2650lbs wet a few years ago. i anticipate to be quite a bit ligher then that this go-around. that 15lbs here, 15lbs there starts to add up it made 580whp last time too. i de-tuned it to meet the NASA TTU rules on the same dyno that i tuned Dave Cs car on in 2010. mine detuned made 480, Daves barely made 400 (and only made 400+ after i gave him bigger injectors). F=M*A, we got a lot of F and reduced the M so i expect a lot of A

p.s. i'm an engineer so i understand roll cages...

Engineer. Texas. Zero hillclimb experience...limited high speed experience.

He's not an idiot...he's an engineer.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2012 09:24PM by john vanlandingham.

I cannot believe that cage is/was legal. How could you look at those door bars and think they are strong?

so admittedly i'm too lazy to go through all of the build thread...but why did all the body panels just eff-off?

were they held on with bubble gum and zip ties?

were they all held on with with just enough bolts to save weight? Or were they all carbon?

I mean i would have expected the roof panel to atleast stll be there, and cumpled all around the cage.

Alot of different cage members would have made a difference i think. A big thing would have been tieing the cage somehow to the b-pillars. The normal "guesset" tubes that almost all rally cars use from the main hoop to the half laterals would have really helped i'd think.

IMHO anything less than a "rally" cage shouldn't go up the mountain. A road race based cage, where a big effort to save occupants in car/car contact isn't what's needed for the venue or the event.

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Chris

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phlat65
How could you look at those door bars and think they are strong?

I'm fairly certain I've seen that sort of setup (nascar bars w/ a s-curve to go around the b-pillar) on several 'pro' (World Challenge etc.) road race cars.

not that that makes it a good idea, of course.

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