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Try arm restraints instead of window nets. They don't block your view should you find yourself trying to drive out the side windows. At first they feel a little restrictive, but after a few uses, you don't even notice them.

Dave

But they only restrain your arms. Not your helmeted head should your seat or belts fail.

And the notes on the face it to protect their eyes from glass. Open helments expose your face to all the debris flying around in a rollover. I've been in three in my life and it took about ten years to get all the glass out of my back from the worse one.

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Jason McDaniel

Pat Richard broke his wrist like that once.
I prefer arm restraints to window nets myself.
In a properly built rally car, seat and harness failures are not as likely. This particular roll would have been much less serious in a better built car.

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Grant Hughes

Everytime I saw footage of McCrae/Grist crashing, Grist always reached up and held onto the cage. I have instucted Jenne to NEVER do that. How he did not sever some digits in all those crashes is amazing

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Everytime I saw footage of McCrae/Grist crashing, Grist always reached up and held onto the cage. I have instucted Jenne to NEVER do that. How he did not sever some digits in all those crashes is amazing

Wasn't it Colin who always just crossed his arms and grabbed his belts? (when he knew he couldn't save it)

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Huh. I was just thinking of that today, myself. Someone posted their in-car where they rolled and stopped on the side of the car. As the co-driver tried to get out, the car rolled again a couple more times. Made me think, that if you are ever climbing out of the car on it's side, don't use the cage to be pulling yourself up. Something like that happens, you'll probably reactivly grab tight to whatever you have your hand on and if it's the cage, could possibly lose some fingers.

Tim.

Its very hard to train yourself to do a certain action when things "get weird". For example most people break clavicles and shoulders when falling off a bike, or when doing other activities you were allot better at 15yrs ago. It actually takes practice to learn how to crash properly. Kind of a catch 22 with car racing. Although it makes ZERO since logically most people put out an arm or brace themselves with their legs in a normal street car crash. Allot of injuries are from this action. Would be nice to KNOW that when I am in an accident I will trust the belts, curl up in a ball and grab my belts. Fact is all bets are off when an incident happens.

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Billy - wrc cars have required window film. Might be another solution.

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The incidence of lost fingers in the US is only going to keep growing with the popularity and increased sales of UTVs. One local rallyist rolled one and codriver lost at least 3-4 fingers. Another new rallyist's lady had a wrist brace on from a UTV roll a few weeks ago.
Arm restraints also prevent you from getting all GIGI on your codriver when you are pissed off.

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The incidence of lost fingers in the US is only going to keep growing with the popularity and increased sales of UTVs. One local rallyist rolled one and codriver lost at least 3-4 fingers. Another new rallyist's lady had a wrist brace on from a UTV roll a few weeks ago.
Arm restraints also prevent you from getting all GIGI on your codriver when you are pissed off.

Logically the driver only needs a left restraint...so co-driver is still open game for a right back hand.

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Logically the driver only needs a left restraint...so co-driver is still open game for a right back hand.

I've always got it with the route book.....

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Billy - wrc cars have required window film. Might be another solution.

But aren't they running lexan? Or do you mean stuff like PWRC and other classes that use OEM glass?



Also, on a side note. Did anyone ever do a discussion to Hurst about using Prodrive's idea of the door bars being incorperated into the B-pillar? I swear I remember it coming up on specialstage that he wouldn't approve a car's cage with that design.

Part of the door bar equasion is having a crush zone. The Pikes Peak car had a reverse bend in the door bars which is an absolute weak spot.

I think it was the Mini that had the unusual door bars and that is getting away from the basic FIA formula. Someone had the design homolgated but that doesn't mean it will work for you or me .

I have noted this before, but I'll do it again.

I don't like window nets. With some drivers (particular the driver that I started with), I have spent enough time driving sideways that a window net would have blocked the view and made it harder for me to do my job.

I ran arm restraints for about a season. Never noticed them and often forgot about them until I tried to hand the time card to a marshal and my arm would stop abruptly.

FYI, I wear a full-face helmet with large eye ports.

I have been in a half-dozen roll-overs. Without arm restraints, as a co-driver, the weight of the route book/notes helped keep my left arm on my lap. My right arm would flail about and that was the source of the majority of the issues that I got in the roll-overs. Lots of cuts on my right hand. In Tim Paterson's RHD Evo, we did a barrel roll and every time my side of the car was up high, my right arm would fall down, across the field of view of the in-car. It looked like I was hitting Tim.

I guess I got lucky with glass; never had any issues with it. Dirt and fuel, on the other hand, ...

alan

Now it makes sense.

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Jason McDaniel

What's is he looking at? Squirrel on the outside of the corner?

That's a good way to miss your apex!