Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Or the hat. 
I sent emails, a couple times, to the Ojibwe folks telling them I could help by providing scoring software. (That wasn't branded NRS.) Never got an answer as to whether they were interested or not. Maybe they were busy. Who knows. Instead, this weekend, some rally folks in the northeast used the NRS software for a hill climb at Mt. Ascutney. Looking at the data, the average time, over two days, from racer finishing their run to times being keyed in the system was 10.3 minutes. Results: http://www.nasarallysport.com//results/2012-Climb-Ascutney-fastest.htm It's available... Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2012 03:41PM by Anders Green. |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
In that case, I'm awaing the release of MagicRallyScore 1.0. *grin* Scoring isn't important at all.... until it's the most important thing at the event. Poor software, or no software, makes that task much more difficult and take much longer. As someone who HAS had to stay up till 2am trying to get scores done in a spreadsheet way in the past, and then announce to the few people left that there was no way the task would be accomplished without another three hours work... I really appreciate having a good tool for that. You're going to need a person dedicated to the task whether they work with a good tool or a poor tool, either way. I mean, c'mon Gene, you use lifts at your shop? Meh, they're not a big deal. Just use some jack stands and a jack...
Huh? Impatient? So far this year: NRS High Desert Trails - I believe they were shuttling to reception, so about 30 minutes from real time. NRS Gorman - Like many CRS events, practically instant NRS Hyperfest - data for last run keyed in 1 minute after run, online less than five minutes later. NRS Rally West Virginia - data for last run keyed in 7 minutes after run, online less than 30 minutes later NRS Sandblast - data for last run keyed 80 minutes after last run, online less than five minutes later. Our software records when each piece of data is put in, precisely so that delays in data entry can be measured on a stage by stage basis. If you can measure that, you can figure out which stages are the most difficult to get data back from, and work on improving it the following year. That's an example of a good tool making the work of organizing easier. If one doesn't care to measure it, well, I'd guess that makes planning to improve a lot more difficult. Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
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Grant, you SHOULD expect more. With the proliferation of communication devices available at arms length, and the proof that other non-RA-national rallies have reliably put out scores and updates within some reasonable timeframe, it essentially comes down to *effort* on the part of sanctioning bodies to 1) provide tools that leverage the communication mechanisms and make it easy for 2) the organizer to use the tools to get the communications out. As it stands, most organizers are left re-inventing the wheel if they're not old hats at it. Everything is tribal knowledge based which is a horrible model for long-term success. To get new blood, you need to show/provide tools for organizers to get "it" done - whether it be all of the scoring, scorecards, rules, signage, training videos, online registration, websites, and more. I'm eagerly awaiting to see how the first rally-in-a-box goes in PA this year. I'm quite confident that, even a brand new organizer can get out updates and scores even when juggling his first event ever. *I* expect it, since I know the tool package he's using that makes it easy. And it'll be the same package that I use when/if I organize next year. And I sincerely hope that you all hold *me* accountable to ensure the updates go out
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Banned Professional Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Well I'm not sure how but the PNW has been doing rallies for waayy longer than you've been around and scoring every freakin one, posting results in a timely fashion and presenting awards immediately afterwards...somehow. Having stuff online in 5 minutes does nothing for the event, competitor or organizer. I'd guess no one on this forum is anywhere near as sharp as Alan when it comes to nerd crap anyway. And yes I have lifts, 3 of them, and we still do plenty of work outside on the ground with jack stands and floor jacks. Doing a job isn't always about easy street. You may have an awesome scoring program, someone still has to get the results from the stage to scoring and then to the 'net and I'm not seeing events flocking to NRS because of the scoring, so must not be as important as you think, |
Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Yeah.... preeeety sure I mentioned CRS there. Yeah.... preeeety sure that functionality wasn't provided by the SCCA. The page you're talking about says " the things we've pioneered as an American rally sanctioning body", which doesn't claim that it's the first time it's ever happened, or that it doesn't happen anywhere else in the world, either before after or during. As it's a page on a sanctioning body web site, and it says it's talking about sanctioning body actions, if you can show me that another sanctioning body, in America, did that first, I'll certainly need to remove it. If it really bugs you though, just make up a similar page for whatever sanctioning body you're enjoying at the moment, spread some positivity their way. They should be proud of the things they've done first!  Start it here, and everyone can contribute! 
Here, I'll start: RA-First American rally sanctioning to produce a video on youtube that received over 50,000 views. RA-First American rally sanctioning to have over 200 videos on youtube. There, now you do the rest! Be proud of what you're involved with!
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Following events online is great.
I'd love to see stage by stage results from Ojibwe, mostly because several friends went down to the event and the one piece of news I did hear is that Carl Jardeval's old evo finished third. But, there is the reality of rally events and what they can reasonably do, regardless of the support or efforts of the sanctioning body. As examples: - None of the four rallies I am directly involved in organizing each year have cel phone coverage everywhere. Three of them have ZERO coverage anywhere on the stages. two of them have coverage at the service park (and that service park also has wifi) - Only one of the four rallies has more than one amateur repeater covering the stages. The 'traffic' involved with tracking cars and running the rally only allows for times to be relayed when there are no cars, including course cars, actively on the stages. - The allocation of volunteer resources is done based on a list of priorities, PR and 'live updates' is - understandably - one of the lowest priorities. Rarely have I seen an event with more volunteers than they know what to do with. QFT, unless the organizer has 'sold' live updates as a marketing property. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Alan for a guy who claims to like and respect words, you sure tired to shove a bunch into my mouth. I don't like it when people put words in my mouth, Alan. I said maybe "their"--referring to the new millionaire owner who bought Rally America evidently as a playthting of pastime for his 2 sons, hearts aren't into it, it being an obvious reference to helping already overworked event volunteers with assistance with scoring, registration etc..I've heard they seem extremely lax or nonchalant on writing checks to event organisers, and paying for t shirts and such little bagatelles but hey the 1% has other worries than searching for a checkbook to write 25-30k checks to peons..I understand, they're probably busying bundling up all their cash and stocks and securities getting ready to move to Cayman Islands if the election they paid good money to buy goes wrong some how. How you can twist that into a dirty, slanderous claim that I am dissing the volunteers putting on events is beyond me, and I have a pretty broad imagination. I have been grateful to volunteers putting on events for decades longer than you have been grateful to them, and I've been grateful to them on 4 of the 5 continents in the world...and in a dozen countries. I spank you bad on being grateful to volunteers. You're totally powned in being way more grateful department.. And I do come to events, where do you get that shit? How do you co-drive without going to events.. I'll be co-driving again shortly. Shame on you for acting that way, Alan. And shame on you for pretending that you don't know that you didn't know that, so take some Mylaanta, you'll get over it in case you're still being obtuse: The paid staff at you-know-where could help the poor saps volunteering with templates, software or whatever you call the shit. If some guy in some obscure state in the Souf that only got electricity and indoor plumbing 6-7 years ago who spends his days selling nails (and instructing the buyers which end to hammer on ( "hammer on the flat end. Yep and on the flat end of the next one, yep that one too Bubba..Bubba, use t'other end of the hammer..." ) has the time to offer help, then self-proclaimed "Professional" ought to be able to as well.John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Go for it man, make a big, biiiig list of where those have appeared in rally. Let me know if you need help. Cause you know how I love lists.
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