Anybody ran all of the CARS and RA nationals recently?

Curious if anyone on here has experience at a majority of the events over say, the past 5 year period?

If you had to decide between each series, which would you do? I've done all the Canadian nationals multiple times, but only competed at Olympus in '07, crewed at Oregon (07) and spectated a bit of NEFR. All three of those I feel it's pretty safe to say are awesome.

I bet Anders has the data if you're willing to ask.

But you may have to take a hit of the NASA refer to get him to relinquish that info.

The answer to your question is no, no one on here meets that criteria.

The number of people who run "a majority of the events" (half or more) in the RA national champion is quite small compared to the total number of competitors who participate in those events. Around 8%ish.

More explicitly, over just the last four years, there's only _one_ person who has done a majority (or more) of the RA national events each year. That's Dave Mirra. Haven't seen him log on here.

Cheers,
Anders

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ACP has done a bunch also over the years. Massive amount of money and effort involved to run the full series...any full series.

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The answer to your question is no, no one on here meets that criteria.

The number of people who run "a majority of the events" (half or more) in the RA national champion is quite small compared to the total number of competitors who participate in those events. Around 8%ish.

More explicitly, over just the last four years, there's only _one_ person who has done a majority (or more) of the RA national events each year. That's Dave Mirra. Haven't seen him log on here.

Cheers,
Anders

Adam you are talking about all the events on the RA and CARS calendars including Regional? Because Antoine and Nathalie obviously go coast on both sides of the border Nationally.

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Adam you are talking about all the events on the RA and CARS calendars including Regional? Because Antoine and Nathalie obviously go coast on both sides of the border Nationally.

No, just nationally. And I think my question is hard to word. Just curious if over the past 5 years, anyone has competed at all of the events (not every single event every year, but done each one once in the past 5 years). Does that make more sense? I could ask Nat (probably will at PFR) but she could "possibly" be biased

Just interested to see what people think. For instance, my memory of Olympus is stellar, I loved it. Oregon Trail also looked amazing (dem roadz). I love Tall Pines and the OLD Defi. The new Rocky is what it is, can't do much about it (we're trying) and PFR is good. Perce, while fun, is tainted by poor performances and frustration. I like Baie, but don't quite love it like everyone else. I mean, if dollar per dollar is the same, why wouldn't you compete at the "best" events?

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ACP has done a bunch also over the years. Massive amount of money and effort involved to run the full series...any full series.

You think you can bait me into an argument that easily? It'll take more than that, I just got my quota in for the day about rallying (with actual voices on a phone nonetheless!) because of BS national stuff that makes me frustrated, but I digress...

Ha! Fooled ya! Of course I'll take the bait! National series in Canada is $15k. Less if you leave the car out east between Baie and Defi. Doesn't seem outrageous to me. Most of that cost is towing fuel, with the 20% gasoline discount in the US, I bet it doesn't cost much more.

Why would I bait you?? And I wasn't.

National series...coast to coast..entry fees...tires...reprep...crews...food...lodging...travel...fuel...broken shit...vacation days or lost work. Even if you could do it for $15k, seems doubtful, you get what in return? Not a lot. But your question was perhaps poorly worded. Who runs every event or most events ? Very few as mentioned. Does anybody cherry pick events, quite a few. Many people run their favorites and they should its your nickle, or $15k, it should at least be enjoyable. Does everybody like the same events ? No. Should you run Olympus this year?? Definitely ! The roads and layout will be superb. Will it be there next year? Who knows for sure, one can only hope.

Since you brought it up...$15k in spendable income is something like $25k gross income. That is a pretty big number for the average Joe to spend in a year on top of all lifes other expenses.

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Since you brought it up...$15k in spendable income is something like $25k gross income. That is a pretty big number for the average Joe to spend in a year on top of all lifes other expenses.

It is a really big number for an average Joe. I'm planning on about 3k a year once the car is done. So 1-2 rallies or a bunch of hillclimbs. I'd also like to take a stab at organizing an event here in the next 3-5 years.

Dave Mirra, Ken Block, Matt Iorio, Pat Richard, Antoine Lestage, Leo Uhlwhat are first few that have probably done many of them at least once.

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Events change from year to year and Adam's call for 'in the last 5 year(s)' makes some sense since events like Oregon, Olympus, Rocky and Defi have seen significant changes from 5 or 6 years ago.

Dave Mirra has only done Tall Pines in Canada, no other CRC nationals.
Iorio is more than 5 years out of the game.
It's been a long time since Pat's done any eastern US events.

I'd probably give ACP as the one with the best 'perspective' and probably the most thoughtful response to the question.

Antoine and Leo (Urlichich - spelled just like it sounds) would have the most current perspective but that doesn't mean the events are going to be the same next year as they are this year.

(Oh, and $15K isn't enough for a CRC season unless you doing things like not counting fuel in Canada and not looking at depreciation/true operating costs of your tow rig.)

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$15k to run a national championship? When I priced out just entry/logistics to run the RA national calender in it's current form, it came out to around $22,000 but I would guess things would likely go up to the $25,000 range. That's not counting any repairs and replacing broken parts.

I don't plan on spending anything more than $10k to run my regional events and that includes everything. Putting my car on the roof at STPR pretty much cost me running an event this year (likely LSPR) so I need to plan things wisely. I'm also spending event budget this year to refresh the car so I'm on a real limited run this season.

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I'm also spending event budget every two months to drive a new car.

Heehee.

A much wiser route of attack would be to maximize stage mileage at decent rallies than trying to do some National nonsense. If you start winning those then maybe think about a national program.
If you want the title, just go for USRC instead. Much easier to achieve than CARS or RA and you get to be National Champion.

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$15k to run a national championship? When I priced out just entry/logistics to run the RA national calender in it's current form, it came out to around $22,000 but I would guess things would likely go up to the $25,000 range. That's not counting any repairs and replacing broken parts.

That's a more reasonable estimate. It was about $30K for me to run 6 Nats in 2007 - 100AW, OTR, Oly, Maine, Ojibwe, CO. $8K was entry fees + notes, $7K was fuel for the van, about $4K in rallytires. Something like $3K in hotel fees (I slept in the back of the van a lot), the rest in food, car parts, van maintenance, etc.

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Michel, how many vacation days did you burn doing those events? Did you have a crew to drive your junk out there and back and you flew in for the race? In my business, I keep track of the opportunity cost of not working. That $30K would probably double if I accounted properly the time involved to tow back and forth across this (once) great country.

Um, a lot. Let me see if I can remember:

5 days for 100AW (left Wed morning, arrived Thurs night, raced Fri/Sat, drove back Sunday, spend the day at the ABQ Ford dealer getting my van fixed, finished drive on Tues).

2 days for OTR (left Thurs night, arrived Friday noonish, raced Fri/Sat/Sun, left Sunday night, got home Mon night).

2 days for Olympus (left Fri morn, arrived Fri night, raced Sat/Sun, drove back Mon).

6 days for Maine (left Sat, arrived Thurs, recce Friday, raced Sat/Sun, fixed car Mon, flew home Mon night)

3 days for Ojibwe (flew back Thursday, drove Friday, raced Sat, DNF'ed and left early Sunday, drove home Sun/Mon).

2 days for CO (left Thurs night, drove Friday, raced Sat/Sun, left right after the event Sun night and drove six hours, drove rest of the way on Mon.)

So, I guess 20 days.

I drove all those myself with three exceptions: for 100AW I drove to Flagstaff and picked up my codriver (who'd driven up from Phoenix) and then we tag-teamed it through the night to Missouri and did the same thing back. For Ojibwe, my crew chief drove the rig from NY to Chicago for me; we drove the rest together, and then he and I tag-teamed it back home. Everything else I drove and my crew chief and codriver flew in on their own dime.

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