John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Morison we are all deluded about motorsport and any honest person knows this.. You being a part time amateur and concerned with perceived status want to maintain some facade propriety...
And of course being in Marketing, well we know about "marketing"... 
People that do this who are well adjusted know WE are all crazy when we spend time helping with work, advice, volunteering. I'm volunteering at Olympus and will be at Mt Hood too. aren't i special? No I'm a loon just like most. Don't pretend you are so stupid that you do not understand the usage... Wait, that's right. you may be that...no no no. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Fuckin' pointless. You're in your own little world John.
You're infallible. You're always right. You know what is best for everyone in every way. You're a master fabricator who always turns out brilliant work and has nothing but the happiest of customers Anyone who questions what you say is an idiot Anyone who comes to different conclusions than you is an idiot The most impressive thing is you know how to decode what I write and sort out what I really mean - much of which is a surprise to me. (Even though we've never met and you know fuck all about who I am or what motivates me.) The sad thing is that you generally have some very good and well thought out ideas/points that are generally lost to the noise you surround them in. What could be a good conversation - or even a valuable lecture - is often discounted as the ramblings of a madman. (I know of someone who was convinced you were an online alter ego that was intended as a joke and didn't really exist!) We live in very different worlds John. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Anders Green Godlike Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Wait, what? I looked on the standings page ( http://rally-america.com/champ_standings.php ) and this championship isn't there. And Verena is listed in 2WD in the event results I looked at. I thought that was a championship for next year. Are there any results for it anywhere? How do you win a championship that isn't scored? Who's in second? That's my quota of confusion for the weekend. 
Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Billy Elliot Mann Senior Moderator Location: Royal Oak, MI Join Date: 08/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 557 Rally Car: 1996 Honda Civic with VTEC YO! |
That's why the press release surprised me. I know for her results she was never really comparing to the other 2WD and only looking at the P class cars. In her press release for winning the championship, it states Robinson and Guitar were 2nd and 3rd. But they both work for Honda and drive the same P class Fit. I only know of one other car that would maybe be considered B-spec and that was the Broken Motorsports Fiesta, which was still not running a restrictor as far as I know. I know NEFR had something about a b-spec cash prize, but I never saw anything come out of that either. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2012 06:55PM by BillyElliot. |
Alan Perry Infallible Moderator Location: Bainbridge Island, WA Join Date: 02/20/2008 Age: Ancient Posts: 430 |
Grant Hughes Senior Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Sorry Adam. Not directed at you, was rushing to finish post so I could change the baby's diaper and get changed for soccer.
I haven't read half the posts. Once I see John and Keith start posting alot I stop reading most of the posts in a thread and start quick scanning and reading just snippets. Yeah, US rally championship is currently dominated in Open/Overall by foreigners. The fast US guys are all too capitalist and have either left to chase money or left to stop hemmoraging money.. Tanner, Block, Pastrana, MJ, Stephan, Iorio are a few that come to mind. There are some supremely talented drivers that will never be able to afford an opportunity to do anything and that's okay cause that's the nature of motorsport. I don't think any North American sanctioning body is approaching rally in a smart way. Wasn't aimed at anyone or anything in particular.  Grant Hughes |
Chad Eixenberger Infallible Moderator Location: Grafton, WI Join Date: 02/01/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 484 Rally Car: 1988 VW Golf #687 |
RA made their own B-spec series, and announced it in a rules bulletin. Pretty much any new P class car: http://rally-america.com/RuleBulletin/Rule_Bulletin_2012_006.pdf |
Banned Godlike Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
I missed the exact example of the 2wd driver mentioned, wouldn't mind if you repeated it. So it sounds like one 2wd car caused a dull axe to be used on the rest of the class. Yet the real problem, Open AWD goes relatively unscathed, seems odd and a bit unbalanced. So while someone mentioned somewhere that a car could be raced with a 32 mm restrictor without tuning that isn't realistic. The sr20det example left Japan with a 42mm restrictor I believe. Roughly a 30% reduction in inlet size, large power loss, someone will tune and then everyone will have to. The rest of the potential competitors affected will need different cars or motor swaps due to the size limits. Quite a large expense for those who possibly can least afford it. I see the need for speed reduction but it should be started at the top (the real problem) and then done in a downward fashion. I don't believe the slow cars need to be slowed . Slow the very fast and if they are then beat by the next tier (who isn't going any faster than before) oh well. You now have even closer competiton and that seems what most competitors want. If someone has a brain tumor, a skilled surgeon removes it with a scalpel...and not with a guillotine. |
have slower cars. The other issues, again, this has been made at a national level, they have different priorities than the regions do.
Banned Mega Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
Billy Elliot Mann Senior Moderator Location: Royal Oak, MI Join Date: 08/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 557 Rally Car: 1996 Honda Civic with VTEC YO! |
So I guess I read that bulletin wrong. You simply need to enter a P class car from that list... period. So you can do things outside of the offical B-Spec rules, like stitch weld chassis, plate shock towers, add a LSD, run adjustable dampers can run to the P class weight limits and do not need a restrictor if the rules call for it? Maybe Alan can help me out on this one? |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
There is a difference between hyperbole and a lie, John. Since the difference is obvious and commonly recognizable I wouldn't have thought you'd need that pointed out. Perhaps I'm just not arrogant enough to think that my commenting on something or my saying something would be taken as anything more than what it is. A discussion point. I'm not lecturing and I don't know why you continue to take it that way - you're one of the few who do. Agreed. But what's your point? I was merely saying that your good advice is too often wrapped up in garbage that makes many people I know not bother to dig for it. Again, you show that you don't know me at all. Maybe you have me on rectitude, but don't most people think of themselves as just, moral and honorable? As for dismissing anything I haven't thought up or experienced... you're flat wrong about that. I tend to not blindly accept things and I'll quickly question things but I wouldn't call either of those 'dismissing' things. , Not really. Since you're really the only one who's expressed annoyance with my written style and since you've admitted that you read between the lines to find the hidden messages... what's the point. What I find humerous is that most of what you complain about my doing in my writing are things that come straight out of your playbook. I've never suggested, or thought, you were stupid enough to tell paying customers that you thought they were idiots. Are you sure about that John? (C'mon, you gotta laugh at that one!) In all seriousness I think that the difference is that I know, and I expect others to understand, that whatever I say is coming from my experience and my knowledge to that point. I expect, and encourage, people to challenge what I say and bring their knowledge and experience into the conversation. As an example, I probably told Adam that buying and running a Talon was a poor idea if he wanted something sustainable and competitive. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't say that again and I've adjusted how I look at these things. Oh the arrogance. I never said people couldn't conceive what you were saying. All I was saying is that you tend to rave on so much that people (most who I talk to) start discounting what you say on a wholesale level. That's really unfortunate because I have, and always will, said that you are a good source of information and knowledge. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Jason Hynd Mega Moderator Location: Oak Harbor, WA Join Date: 03/16/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 333 Rally Car: XR4TI a slow build! |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
The basic measure we use for 'safe' speeds, average speed, is flawed. But, without the safety profile you can get with Jemba it is the only objective measure we can use. My experience is that on the fast open roads a PGT car will actually hit a higher top speed than an open class car and, if Will Orders is any indication, a well done G5 car would probably be even faster. What's worse is that chichanes used to slow down average speeds are almost universally in locations that do little to increase actual safety and, in some cases actually introduce hazards. But the question becomes, if not average speed - how will you measure the safety or suitability of a stage? First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
that presumes the surgeon has a brain.. <object width="480" height="360"><param name="movie" value=" ?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name the area of a 32mm hole is approx 58% of the area of a 42mm hole. but hey, who's counting? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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