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One area where I disagree with you John. Simple, BASIC notes are the key to going fast. They don't have to be detailed, they don't have to be complex. But North American note making is pitiful (and one of the reasons North American competitors are slow). My notes are super basic, but they include every corner, crest, and caution. Without them, I wouldn't be nearly as quick as I am. Properly written, BASIC notes will not only help competitors keep their cars on the road, but be safer, unless they are driving so slow sans notes that it doesn't matter. I refer to your own words in my quote; proper notes prevents us dumb drivers from thinking too hard/much while in the race car  Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2012 01:21PM by HiTempguy. |
Ben Bradley Godlike Moderator Location: Portland, OR Join Date: 02/07/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 35 Rally Car: Under Construction |
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Hmm, not quite so sure. John has been around long enough (and is curmudgeony enough :p ) to be in the note hater camp I'd think 
I'll wait and see what his reply is, the suspense is killing me! 
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Comedic gold Jerry! 
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See note from Ben..and try and remember, I'm never really 100% serious, and never really 100% not serious. Expect the unexpected.
Really? Dayum mang I thought it was opening the throttle FULL and then working hard on braking as hard as possible while maintaining some degree of control, you know? Like DRIVING? I'll try just reading notes but I was pretty sure you have to gas it and shift gears UP to go fast, but if you say its notes, I guess just sitting with the notes in the lap is THE KEY, well times have changed. I guess.
Ah! agreement!
. Oh, really? I thought it was poor vehicle choice, poor compoment choice, fixation of motor, lack of experience driving---and judging the road, ignoring critical components like gear sets, failing to open the throttle, and braking like they has ricketts and couldn't push on the brake pedal. especially the lame ass braking. Live and learn.. Amazing what we learn on forums!
You're quick? You? I thought you had fast cars..didn't know you were quick. I can see how you'd believe that but malheuresement that's merde pur.. I guess since you're a young pup brought in post Notes and eating a diet of Forum bullshit excuse about safety, it's understandable repeat stuff about safety which people always throw around because many know if you say SAFETY!!!!! that nobody dares argue against SAFETY!!!!! (Think of the children ferfucksake!!!!!!). Notes are about going faster..... You could look at it like say Intercooling.. It allows more while maintaining the same margin.... OR a same with a bigger margin. Way back in the last century first event using blown up photocopies of the map in the Supps---organiser supplied map so we were legal, I was on stages 12-14 minutes longe and using same tires as the day before was a full gear higher everywhere and was about 1m30s to 1m 40s faster. Started with second hand tires which then were run Saturday 70 miles so they were beat---and still massive improvements in speed, especially at higher speeds....so much higher speed, with same safety margin.. Notes are about speed.
Well there goes the rationale then for all but 3-4 North American competitors.
Oh do i have a great video snippet from Loeb for you.. He says basically the same thing. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2012 01:34AM by john vanlandingham. |
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Sure it is John, but there is only so much driver's can do (small brains and all) to know when to hit the throttle hard and when to brake hard and when not to brake at all. Surprisingly, this isn't the 1800's of rallying anymore 
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Well for one thing, gearsets never slowed anyone down, they just prevented them from accelerating as fast (I can play the word game too John ). Once you get up to speed, maintaining momentum should be all that matters, so for 95% of people, the gearset would be irrelevant. Vehicle choice actually isn't "that" bad in North America, most rally Subarus. Not the best, not the worst, and certainly reliable (which you may argue against, but my retort is you can't fix dumb when it comes to hitting stuff you shouldn't and breaking suspension bits, something else notes help with).
Hmm, pretty sure Duplessis is getting stomped by the competition across the pond. And Ken was/still is getting stomped. Both have a true season of competition under their belts. Both have said a huge difference was in their note making ability after competing in the WRC. It IS "one" of the reasons. But the guys below David, Antoine, Pat, Leo, Ken are slower for numerous reasons.
Hmm, I guess you could say that. Is a Talon a top 10 nationally competitive car? Damn, now I REALLY wish I hadn't crashed it, I didn't know what I had. The wierdest thing I find is I'm arguing with someone who (arguably) was "slow" when rallying. What does he know anyways? He won an event against a whole bunch of slow people? I thought he just had a fast properly prepared car... Surprisingly enough John, I base my definition of quick on stage times. I also have nothing to prove to you (or anyone else anywhere for that matter).
See, you were able to go faster at the same amount of safety. You COULD have went faster before, but it wouldn't have been nearly as safe. There is a theoretical limit to how fast a given car can travel down a road. Notes make that limit safer to attain (or, the same amount of "safe" to attain as slower speeds without maps/tulips/notes). Thank you for proving my point for me John. |
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Hey, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one right? I don't see anyone here suggesting someones opinion is more or less valid than someone elses I'd hope. It certainly doesn't mean I have to agree with someone elses opinion either
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Oh, sorry. I thought I made that clear years ago. All of your opinions are less valid than mine. Back to the subject at hand, yay, Mt. Hood! I will be there as part of the rallydata scoring team. Self-righteous douche canoe |
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