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tipo158
At this time, the plan is to run to Rally America rules. Even though I still work on the Rally America rule book, this wasn't my idea. I need to go through the book and identify and solve the problems with this approach.

As far as whether we need another sanction body, remember that there have been more than just NRS and RA/SCCA for a while. Rally New York still does his own thing. So did Laughlin.

alan

Just because there always have been more than one doesnt mean it's a good thing. I understand why there was two+, but with rallyNY event going to NRS, RA on the verge of bankruptcy, just seemed like the perfect time to give everyone what they wanted.

Most people agree it's simpler with one sanctioning body and one rule book, one license etc. So instead of taking advantage of that opportunity to consolidate, we're going the opposite direction. In reality it doesnt effect me because I never plan on participating in olympus just cause of the distance, but still confuses me.

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Just because there always have been more than one doesnt mean it's a good thing. I understand why there was two+, but with rallyNY event going to NRS, RA on the verge of bankruptcy, just seemed like the perfect time to give everyone what they wanted.

It is awfully presumptuous for you to talk about what *everyone* wants.

alan

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Just because there always have been more than one doesnt mean it's a good thing. I understand why there was two+, but with rallyNY event going to NRS, RA on the verge of bankruptcy, just seemed like the perfect time to give everyone what they wanted.

It is awfully presumptuous for you to talk about what *everyone* wants.

alan

Maybe, but I dont know a single person that races for fun that wants to pay for more than one license.


In the annual 'what will help rally' threads, this is one one of the biggest complaints.

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At this time, the plan is to run to Rally America rules. ... I need to go through the book and identify and solve the problems with this approach.

I would imagine the largest stumbling block would be that little section just inside the cover, the one that takes up Page ii.

Do you mean the copyright notice? Where does it prohibit inclusion by reference?

alan

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The bigger question should be why the community would think it is ok to spend $20,000 to 30,000 more per event for RA sanctions with all the baggage and controversy than going NRS or USAC or self insured.

Yep that's question

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Just because there always have been more than one doesnt mean it's a good thing. I understand why there was two+, but with rallyNY event going to NRS, RA on the verge of bankruptcy, just seemed like the perfect time to give everyone what they wanted.

It is awfully presumptuous for you to talk about what *everyone* wants.

alan

Maybe, but I dont know a single person that races for fun that wants to pay for more than one license.


In the annual 'what will help rally' threads, this is one one of the biggest complaints.

Are you even planning to tow all the way to Washington and compete at Olympus? If not then I don't know why the fact they chose to go with USAC has got your panties in a bunch. Plus I think Gene already indicated that most people won't need to buy an additional license for this event, or maybe an inexpensive one event license.

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While many details are to be worked out, Olympus will pretty much look, to competitors, the same as always and affordable for regional teams. Scoring and competition will be the standard we are used to, hopefully the internet scoring will be better, scrutineering will be the same friendly, smiling faces (depending on my mood ). I am told we will be using standard rally procedures and safety requirements we are all used to. So yes, no rule book, but you'll need to meet the same requirements as any other event would require. Olympus organizers are running the event , USAC has indicated they are not wanting to be dark overlords.

Also, I bet photographers will be allowed to take pictures and publish them.

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Do you mean the copyright notice? Where does it prohibit inclusion by reference?

Oh, just take 'em. I'm pretty sure copyright means "open source", so even events that just walked away from RA will be welcome to use their rules. It's cool bro.

Anders

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Just because there always have been more than one doesnt mean it's a good thing. I understand why there was two+, but with rallyNY event going to NRS, RA on the verge of bankruptcy, just seemed like the perfect time to give everyone what they wanted.

It is awfully presumptuous for you to talk about what *everyone* wants.

alan

Maybe, but I dont know a single person that races for fun that wants to pay for more than one license.




In the annual 'what will help rally' threads, this is one one of the biggest complaints.

I never hear people griping about that. In the grand scheme, paying for the extra licence is a drop in the bucket of the yearly rally budget if you are going to do 3 or 4 events.

Thank you, Olympus Organizers! We will be there for sure!

Doug

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While many details are to be worked out, Olympus will pretty much look, to competitors, the same as always and affordable for regional teams. Scoring and competition will be the standard we are used to, hopefully the internet scoring will be better, scrutineering will be the same friendly, smiling faces (depending on my mood ). I am told we will be using standard rally procedures and safety requirements we are all used to. So yes, no rule book, but you'll need to meet the same requirements as any other event would require. Olympus organizers are running the event , USAC has indicated they are not wanting to be dark overlords.

Also, I bet photographers will be allowed to take pictures and publish them.

We'll find out!

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USAC like Pikes Peak sanctioning body?
What else do they do? Where are they based?

I think it's a dumb decision but there is likely some justification unknown to the rest of us. Probably something petty that goes back way further or is completely unrelated like someone had a bad experience at a NASA autocross or something.

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Do you mean the copyright notice? Where does it prohibit inclusion by reference?

Oh, just take 'em. I'm pretty sure copyright means "open source", so even events that just walked away from RA will be welcome to use their rules. It's cool bro.

Wow! I have been editing the RA rulebook since 2006 and I never noticed that copyright notice before. My goodness!

For the last few years, most of the events around here have been RA events, so most of the cars around here meet the RA class rules. Oregon Trail is still an RA event. When we last ran Wild West as a NRS event, we used the RA class rules.

No matter what else we ended up doing for rules, we were going to be accepting cars that meet the RA rules. My personal preference would have been to use the FIA regional championship rules with the RA class rules, edited for specific local issues (like allowing SFI safety gear).

But really, a rulebook per se is not needed. The Olympus Supps could just say that the event will be run to specific applicable Articles from RA PRR (say, Articles 5, 6, 7 & 10 as well as particular parts of 8) and add additional text to the Supps to connect it all together.

alan

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USAC like Pikes Peak sanctioning body?
What else do they do? Where are they based?

I think it's a dumb decision but there is likely some justification unknown to the rest of us. Probably something petty that goes back way further or is completely unrelated like someone had a bad experience at a NASA autocross or something.

They don't do much... http://www.usacracing.com/

Olympus' decision reflects nothing more than the organizers desire to try something different with an eye towards the future. The PNW has enjoyed a great relationship with NRS and Ray and Donna Hocker are friends with many of us.

USAC may work great, may not. Time will tell but as long as people show up to support the event, can affod the event and enjoy the event then there was no dumb decision.

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USAC like Pikes Peak sanctioning body?
What else do they do? Where are they based?

Check out www.usacracing.com and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Auto_Club

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I think it's a dumb decision but there is likely some justification unknown to the rest of us. Probably something petty that goes back way further or is completely unrelated like someone had a bad experience at a NASA autocross or something.

Yep, that's it. Except I think that I am only one of the core group (Steve, Ron, Tracy and me) who has done autocrossing and it was the SCCA ones that I had an issue with.

I wouldn't have had a problem going with NRS. I like working with Ray and Donna. But, in my opinion, USAC made a better offer.

alan