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And what would that number be??? As to the dust, I'll gladly pee in front of your car at stage start...

Seems like some sort of a news black out for RA currently. No one is talking or bitching.

Not $1600, I can tell you that much. The dual regional entry fee was nice though. Considering the good memories I have of Olympus (and it has even come full circle to be ran out of the Casino, the first event I ever co-drove at), and the excellent roads that may be available to be ran, I'd have no problem with a $1k entry fee. Oh yea, and charging for recce is ridiculous, that should just "be" IMO.

Of course, I'd prefer an $800 entry fee, that's an extra $200 that can go towards fixing the car when I wreck it (again)!

even 1000 seems high. does that include notes?

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even 1000 seems high. does that include notes?

RA was doing wierd stuff last season/this season, with large discrepancies between national and regional entry fees.

I am unsure of why they were such, or if one was subsidizing the other, hence why you could possibly see an increase in a "regional" entry (if there is even such a thing, all speculation on my part). I know how much I'd be willing to pay (as a maximum), but for 200 stage kms (~120 stage miles) I'd like to see around $800.

As for notes... write your own It makes you a better driver Also, if they provide notes, that further increases the costs for EVERYONE.

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Gravity Fed
even 1000 seems high. does that include notes?

As for notes... write your own It makes you a better driver Also, if they provide notes, that further increases the costs for EVERYONE.

You know, in the UK (and probably elsewhere) they allow companies to run the course, author notes, and sell them, with the risk on breaking even being placed on the notes service.

Here in the US, I'm sure some enterprising soul would be willing to sell a copy of his notes to those individuals who did not want to be bothered with recce, but wanted a set of notes to run on.

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Here in the US, I'm sure some enterprising soul would be willing to sell a copy of his notes to those individuals who did not want to be bothered with recce, but wanted a set of notes to run on.

While this could work just fine for NRS events afaik, didn't RA have some goofy rules saying that you had to use the physical notes provided to you (hence the need for selling a second 'clean' copy for making 'clean' changes to after you're done with your parade-lap-masquerading-as-recce)?

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You know, in the UK (and probably elsewhere) they allow companies to run the course, author notes, and sell them, with the risk on breaking even being placed on the notes service.

Here in the US, I'm sure some enterprising soul would be willing to sell a copy of his notes to those individuals who did not want to be bothered with recce, but wanted a set of notes to run on.

Yep. But as far as I am aware, with RA, it was a liability thing. Could you imagine selling someone your notes, and then GETTING SUED when they went off because of your "bad note"? That shit wouldn't fly anywhere else, but in the US, uh...

So, let everyone write their own notes, or else provide them a basic stage route book and go. Done and done. Maybe even, dare I say, make the event one long day instead of two or three days spread out, so that "other day" normally dedicated to racing could be for recce?

I don't think I've ever heard a competitor complain about too long of an event day.

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Yep. But as far as I am aware, with RA, it was a liability thing. Could you imagine selling someone your notes, and then GETTING SUED when they went off because of your "bad note"? That shit wouldn't fly anywhere else, but in the US, uh...

Actually, in your event waiver, you have agreed not to sue other competitiors. And in your notes waiver for Jemba, you have agreed not to sue Jemba. Using the notes is an assumption of risk also, just like racing, and racing waivers are upheld almost universally if challenged (I have never found a case where they have not been upheld, and believe me, I've searched every appellate jurisdiction in the US on this issue). Its just like you assume the risk of being beaned by a ball or hit by a puck or hit by a racecar tire if spectating at an event, but with an added layer of a knowing waiver of liability.

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"Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain

OK, spoke more with Steve about this. When he told me that we would be using the RA rules, it turns out that he was talking about what rules the entrant cars would need to meet. He was not talking about what rules that the event would operate under. He just wants anyone who wants to run to be able to run and doesn't want the class rules to get in anyone's way.

So, we are back to where we were when the USAC announcement was made. The rules that Olympus will be run under is TBD. I have a preference for adapting the FIA Regional Championship rules. Recall that the "PNW Timing System" used before RA forced us to use their timing system is basically the FIA timing system. But we still need to work this out. And having until June gives us time to do it right.

Some general comments about copyright and other intellectual property. Copyright covers works of authorship. The actual words used to express a rule can be copyrighted. The idea behind the rule cannot. Neither can "short phrases" used in the rules, though some can be trademarked (like "ProRally" and "ClubRally" were).

alan

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Copyright covers works of authorship. The actual words used to express a rule can be copyrighted. The idea behind the rule cannot. Neither can "short phrases" used in the rules, though some can be trademarked (like "ProRally" and "ClubRally" were).

alan

Trademark being a different area of intellectual property, such that while the unique mark (ClubRally with the raised R and italicized script) may be subject to claim of trade or service mark, the term club rally may not. Just like the USRC logo for the defunct United States Rally Championship, but not the term United States rally championship.

Fun stuff from a legal standpoint.

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The revival of the Cascadia Cup is being driven by Ben Bradley, Lee Clark (Dirtfish), Jennifer Daly (co-driver and Big White organizer), Tracy Manspeaker (co-driver and Olympus organizer) and ... can't remember who else.

Jason "Wolfboy" Grahn is also involved. More information will be released soon; some details still need to be worked out.

The PNWRC (Pacific NorthWest Rally Championship) will return for 2013 after taking the year off in 2012. This will, at this point, include most (hopefully all) events in Oregon, Washington and Idaho.

And I promise I will get the 2011 PNWRC trophies made soon! Sorry to draw it out for a ridiculously long amount of time.

Ben

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Actually, in your event waiver, you have agreed not to sue other competitiors. And in your notes waiver for Jemba, you have agreed not to sue Jemba. Using the notes is an assumption of risk also, just like racing, and racing waivers are upheld almost universally if challenged (I have never found a case where they have not been upheld, and believe me, I've searched every appellate jurisdiction in the US on this issue). Its just like you assume the risk of being beaned by a ball or hit by a puck or hit by a racecar tire if spectating at an event, but with an added layer of a knowing waiver of liability.

Interesting, because I was under the impression it didn't matter. The fact that RA forced jemba on everyone for such a long time then is even more absurd if not for liability reasons.

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wvonkessler
Fun stuff from a legal standpoint.

You are a sick individual I am one of the stuckees in my department to do due diligence on IP issues and this stuff drives me crazy.

alan

What does this mean for vehicle classes, more specifically open light. As far as I know this class was/is specific to RA.

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What does this mean for vehicle classes, more specifically open light. As far as I know this class was/is specific to RA.

12mm restrictor.

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Interesting, because I was under the impression it didn't matter. The fact that RA forced jemba on everyone for such a long time then is even more absurd if not for liability reasons.

I suggested that Pete take the risk/benefit of notes production on himself to the usrc in about '04 and open it up to competition, but was vetoed. Trade off that RA didn't want to do either.

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"Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain