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Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction

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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 23, 2012 01:03AM
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The local rally scene is small, but it's a tight group. There is a lot of enthusiasm, but not too many entries

Don't sell us short, Matt! We've gone from 2 local region caged rally cars to 8 in 3 years after not having any rally events for almost two decades! 9 once you get some tube in that bad boy! I'd say we've got a lot of entries and growing! grinning smiley

Hey Gord, that was meant as a compliment, not a dig. I wouldn't even be considering a build if it wasn't for your's and Ian's hospitality. You guys are very helpful and accomodating with everything. I can't wait to add to the local numbers. Just trying to make sure that I have the right car to do it with. smileys with beer

You'll be fine, and if more guys would get easy, basically right car that were easy to mod the scene out there would eventually grow...
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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 23, 2012 12:26PM
M-45, M-46, m-47 all have the same issue.... Intended to run behind an engine with little power and not be abused.

I broke too many of them in the rallycar... Gave it expensive Quaife close ratio gearsets that were fantastic as long as it was naturally aspirated. Broke those with the turbo six. Both sets.

The Volvo now has a Jerico Dogbox and 9" ford with 35 spline Moser axles. With the next set of upgrades we'll see if that stuff lives.... Hee-hee.



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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 23, 2012 03:51PM
It would keep popping out of 2nd and I decided to hold it in second to finish the run but that was apparently a bad idea after I couldn't get it to go into any other gears and could barely get it to stay in 2nd. haven't really done enough with it to know any tricks or weakness on it yet besides the transmission but it is a fun car with a locked diff and a little more boost with the fast roads we run on I think I might be able to do better with the volvo than my current rally car and build it to take my abuse with out a ton of money
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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 23, 2012 05:28PM
The Volvo box looks like they didn't ever enlarge anything all the way back to the B18 in the 50s--not until the M90.
I say this with some good certainty because the never changed the block deck height, or bore c-c or stroke, or main bearing size, or compression height--all the critical machining dimensions from the B18 all the way to the last B23 and on the B230 is was only main bearing and rod bearing and rod c-c they changed all the way to the end of the cast iron block motors.


What worked for Farfar o gumman out for a drive on Sunday with a car maxing max 65bhp but never revved past 2200 simply doesn't work for hard core hoonification..

When I living in Sweden and driving to obscure tracks and sand pit in the boondocks on the weekend, if ever there was a line of 8-20 cars crawling along, it was ALWAYS a grandpa in a Volvo that was at the head of the line, ALWAYS.

That's who the car was marketed to, designed for, and for that it worked fine...It was the same in the mountains here going skiing, but then it was a Volvo wagon.

Here's the cure:
Volvo bellhousing with simple mods:


And GM V8 trannie bolted to it:


Only the gear stick needs to swoop back in a 7 series.

Excellent rations 1-4 and a realistic 5th if one is gear down a bit like 4.3.
Common GM output yoke, Spicer 1310 u-joint, a simple mount like this:


And here it is in a 240:



As for the rear shocks and the axle location, the 2 problem areas, easy cure for anybody who can weld:

Towers welded in something kinda like this:


And long links---once the stupid kidney bean shaped tank is booted.
Sumpin lime this only a tad longer cause the volvo is longer.


End up wif sumpin like this:




Nice piccies here:
http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=27782&page=7



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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 23, 2012 05:50PM
a'nudder juicy piccie:

see the turrets or towers in back.. That's the way to do it--except I prefer eyelet mounts on top




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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 24, 2012 04:40PM
Why the eyelet mounts on top preference, John? Ease of maintenance (quick swap), availability, strength? Other?

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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 24, 2012 06:16PM
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Why the eyelet mounts on top preference, John? Ease of maintenance (quick swap), availability, strength? Other?

Thanks!
When there's rubber in the suspension links, things move.
We hit shit sideways, right?
So that means things move <---that way or ----> not just ^ and V.
If you have PIN tops and they're bolted down snug when you whack sumpin and the link go----> the bottom isn't any longer under where it was and should be and there is a bend moment resolved right at the guide bush so there a high chance of the shock rod looking like < or > in steada I

When you have a spherical bearing top and bottom the sphere kinda rotates a little and the force is V and ^ and all is well.. Or weller-er.

So welding a couple of D shaped ears either side of a [ ] hole seems easy as does closing it off with a strip of scrap to keep the mud off and that is cheaper than buying my Sooooper Bitchin HD M12 Stainless Steel pin mounts when the shock come with nice spherical bearings..

Make sense?

I have a nice metaphor most guys understand involving thinking of lingham into yoni and all is good and its plongé plongé all is smooth TILL the angle of the dangle is too great and plooop! Not good.

Its similar.



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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 24, 2012 09:11PM
You know, I sometimes have to read your posts four or five times to suss out what you mean, and even then I'm not so sure. grinning smiley



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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 24, 2012 10:39PM
I see - so you are advocating not just an "eye to eye" shock - but one with spherical bearings. Here all this time I had rubber-bushed ones in my mind. I get what you're saying about bending the shaft-end as well.



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Re: Rally noob, looking for some RWD Volvo direction
December 25, 2012 01:34AM
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You know, I sometimes have to read your posts four or five times to suss out what you mean, and even then I'm not so sure. grinning smiley

Then you're thinking too hard.
Don't think.
Metaphor and visualisation.
Go with the flow, or as we used to say (in some way vaguely referencing so accurately some sensei) Glow with the schmo.)

If that doesn't do it copy and paste and ask, "wot da fawk youse mean, mang?"



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