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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 03:46PM
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WTF??? Why does a sanctioning body team up with another sanctioning body? I wonder what brought this on, and if it affects Olympus.

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crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $150 and regional
crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $75. Season USAC members sign
the waiver and media releases at their first event

Crew members have to sign a MEDIA RELEASE!!!!

Oh jeebus pull the plug already. Put it out of its misery.

Until I hear more of the story I'm willing to reserve judgement, but yeah, my gut tells me the same thing.

I'm an optimist by nature and experience, but your gut is right...better to start planning now.


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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 03:56PM
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WTF??? Why does a sanctioning body team up with another sanctioning body? I wonder what brought this on, and if it affects Olympus.

Oh giggle giggle I'm about to piss myself laughing:
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crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $150 and regional
crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $75. Season USAC members sign
the waiver and media releases at their first event

Crew members have to sign a MEDIA RELEASE!!!!

Oh jeebus pull the plug already. Put it out of its misery.

just to clarify, crew members meaning your service crew? as each person?
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 04:14PM
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WTF??? Why does a sanctioning body team up with another sanctioning body? I wonder what brought this on, and if it affects Olympus.

Oh giggle giggle I'm about to piss myself laughing:
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crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $150 and regional
crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $75. Season USAC members sign
the waiver and media releases at their first event

Crew members have to sign a MEDIA RELEASE!!!!

Oh jeebus pull the plug already. Put it out of its misery.

just to clarify, crew members meaning your service crew? as each person?

That's what it looks like. You you grab your buddy , the one who still has a pulse and he gets to either pay $5/event or by a "Season membership"...

And sign a Media Release, thats important!!


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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 05:33PM
RA had to get insurance somewhere. SnoDrift is a month away and 34 cars so far.
Media BS is courtesy of RA not USAC. Olympus isn't affected by any of this.
Cost of USAC is in line with NRS I believe.
The RA events could have gone on their own as a group and done the same thing with USAC.
The extra money spent for RA oversight is going in Foggs pocket basically.
There is more ugliness (not USAC related) but its more fun when someone else brings it up...
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 06:26PM
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There is more ugliness (not USAC related) but its more fun when someone else brings it up...

You just like watching everyone squirm in anticipation, rallyists are the worse gossipers I've ever met :p
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 06:49PM
Who used to provide the insurance when the OG-RA "did it?"
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 07:14PM
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RA had to get insurance somewhere. SnoDrift is a month away and 34 cars so far.
Media BS is courtesy of RA not USAC. Olympus isn't affected by any of this.
Cost of USAC is in line with NRS I believe.
The RA events could have gone on their own as a group and done the same thing with USAC.
The extra money spent for RA oversight is going in Foggs pocket basically.
There is more ugliness (not USAC related) but its more fun when someone else brings it up...

I have a vague sense of being boofed and not even the common courtesy of a reacharound.


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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 21, 2012 08:05PM
Naughton (sp?) was the povider in the past for RA. Not now.
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 22, 2012 11:56AM
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Media BS is courtesy of RA not USAC. Olympus isn't affected by any of this.
Cost of USAC is in line with NRS I believe.

if this is the case, i think ill run olympus instead of OTR. easier on my wallet for a first timer.
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 22, 2012 03:42PM
Start saving now and do both. OTR is an excellent rally! I love the Friday night stuff, and the long Saturday.
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 23, 2012 12:33AM
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Currently the cost for RA appears to be about 4 to 5 times more for the average event than NRS or USAC

Huh?

Huh, what? winking smiley

Cost for who? Organizer? As Chad and Matt have pointed out, $/mile are about the same between RA and NASA.

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WTF??? Why does a sanctioning body team up with another sanctioning body? I wonder what brought this on, and if it affects Olympus.

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crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $150 and regional
crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $75. Season USAC members sign
the waiver and media releases at their first event

Crew members have to sign a MEDIA RELEASE!!!!

Oh jeebus pull the plug already. Put it out of its misery.

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Service crew members must also purchase a USAC membership. The single event cost is
$5. National crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $150 and regional
crew members may purchase a Season Membership for $75.

You may purchase a season membership, otherwise it's $5 per event. Why anybody wouldn't pay the $5 per event price (Unless you run more than 30 or 15 events as a crew for national/regional). Still sucks that you have to pay a license for your crew, but it's probably something having to deal with insurance. Same way that SCCA won't let non-members run events. I would guess that they can only offer insurance to "club members" or something to save on insurance. Basically trickles down a bit of the insurance cost to the competitor.

Guess I won't get a few Starbucks coffees for a week to pay for my crew licenses at Sno*Drift.
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 23, 2012 10:07AM
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Currently the cost for RA appears to be about 4 to 5 times more for the average event than NRS or USAC

Huh?

Huh, what? winking smiley

Cost for who? Organizer? As Chad and Matt have pointed out, $/mile are about the same between RA and NASA.

Cost for an organizer, which at some point gets passed to the competitor. NRS and USAC provide insurance and sanction on a flat fee. RA does it on a per car. NRS offered a national program with steward, media and other bennies supported by NASA. That was a flat fee also and a bit higher to cover costs. USAC currently doesn't have an actual program beyond insurance.That will be developed as the year progresses.

For Olympus as a national with last years entries RA would be $20 to $30,000 higher than either NRS program or the basic USAC insurance. For Olympus this year as a regional with expected fewer entries, the cost difference would be around $15,000.

Any of the numbers are substantial. Cost beyond sanctioning is hard to compare as so many extranious costs are different. Comparing Sandblast to SnoDrift on a cost per mile appears valid but isn't accurate for the big picture of a 2day event in both cases. If Sandblast went 2 days the cost would likely increase a bit overall but still should be less than RA.
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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 25, 2012 02:13PM
... 5 x 30 = 150.... not 5 x 6 or 7 (I forget how many rounds are in the national "championship"winking smiley


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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 25, 2012 04:06PM
what was the cost of RA insurance / other BS that was charged for a standard two day event? at least about? I know what USAC insurance runs, and im curious how much overhead they just trimmed


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Re: Nasa vs RA cost?
December 25, 2012 05:17PM
Seems like I heard they bought a blanket policy at the beginning of the year at a substantial amount. The cost was split up among the events and the regional onlys were heavily subsidized bu the nationals or RA. Either way it was a money loser. I think the fees last year were about 2-300 less per car depending on the event. The cost of wages, motorhome, travel expenses and everything else was a huge number and not close to being recivered on entry fees. Havir was more of a benefactor than many knew. I'd guess , and I do mean guess, that the insurance alone is about 40-50% less for their year.
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