No Moronson, the big chip on your shoulder from being whatever you are that gives you the chip on your shoulder is so big it obscures your vision..

There comments which might be slagging are slagging the mindless FIA! FIA! people where ever they are all the way back to 1985 here when we had idiots advocating "FIA FIA ALL RULES AND CLASSES"

You see there were plenty of idiots before you came along and picked up where they left off.

Maybe that's why I have no taste for your slimey way of half-truths and highly "political' scheming


So pointing out that CARS veered off from FIA rules ---was pointing out they COULD, and a reminder to you guys of how the world does things since you seem to be so thickheaded and argumentative like most guys up there in the empty wasteland you are mired in.
Appropriately.

If its not a reminder to you, since your obvious opinion is that you know everything---it is a reminder to others who don't know that ASN can delete or mod sections of all the FIA stuff as they see fit for National--INTERNAL events, so when some putz comes up with some line of BS rule proposal and pulls the "THINK of the CHILDREN!!! we Gotta do this cause FIA!!!!" card, THEY--others--will know that ASNs can do whatever they want within their own borders.

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There comments which might be slagging are slagging the mindless FIA! FIA! people where ever they are all the way back to 1985 here when we had idiots advocating "FIA FIA ALL RULES AND CLASSES"

Do you even read what you write?

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...but the young 'uns from Calagary who now are taking over CARS don't really know how to ready any other langue apparently and don't know how to ask people so they pretend FIA is Sent Down from the Mountain like this:

Seems pretty pointed to me.

Like I said, you continue to boldly proclaim things you have no knowledge of, not even a hint of.

Answer me this, though. Why do you find a need to revert to grade school name-calling and bully tactics? Further, why do you haul out select comments from third-party conversations to somehow denigrate me?

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What is the deal with Peltor, anyway? Are they no longer producing motorsports helmets? Or have they switched from the British standard to FIA?

Or are they bankrupt and gone?

Why would you assume they're bankrupt?

Originally a Swedish company, their main focus has always been industrial hearing protection and communications. They were bought by Aearo (a US company) awhile back, but mostly left alone in their operations. Aearo was acquired by 3M in 2007. They're still making intercoms and autosport helmets, but where they used to have two models - an open and a closed-face - they're down to just open-faced ones. Here in the US they sell G79. They never got that one BS certified, instead opting to go with Snell and FIA. It is Snell SA-2010 and FIA 8858-2010 approved, so it will be acceptable for many years to come. They also sell a carbon-composite version of that called the G89 but I don't think it's sold in the US. It's also FIA 8858-2010 approved, but it's not SA-2010.

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As was said earlier though, FIA 8858-2010 is just the HANS posts. Just because it has that spec doesn't mean the whole helmet is FIA spec. My wife's G78 is BSI 6658-85 and FIA 8858-2010 as well.

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What is the deal with Peltor, anyway? Are they no longer producing motorsports helmets? Or have they switched from the British standard to FIA?

Or are they bankrupt and gone?

Why would you assume they're bankrupt?

Originally a Swedish company, their main focus has always been industrial hearing protection and communications. They were bought by Aearo (a US company) awhile back, but mostly left alone in their operations. Aearo was acquired by 3M in 2007. They're still making intercoms and autosport helmets, but where they used to have two models - an open and a closed-face - they're down to just open-faced ones. Here in the US they sell G79. They never got that one BS certified, instead opting to go with Snell and FIA. It is Snell SA-2010 and FIA 8858-2010 approved, so it will be acceptable for many years to come. They also sell a carbon-composite version of that called the G89 but I don't think it's sold in the US. It's also FIA 8858-2010 approved, but it's not SA-2010.

Ahh, ok.

And my first thought wasn't bankrupt.. it was just another of the things I thought of that could make sense as to why the helmets would expire after that time (as in no more new helmets were being produced)

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There comments which might be slagging are slagging the mindless FIA! FIA! people where ever they are all the way back to 1985 here when we had idiots advocating "FIA FIA ALL RULES AND CLASSES"

Do you even read what you write?

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...but the young 'uns from Calagary who now are taking over CARS don't really know how to ready any other langue apparently and don't know how to ask people so they pretend FIA is Sent Down from the Mountain like this:

Seems pretty pointed to me.

Like I said, you continue to boldly proclaim things you have no knowledge of, not even a hint of.

Answer me this, though. Why do you find a need to revert to grade school name-calling and bully tactics? Further, why do you haul out select comments from third-party conversations to somehow denigrate me?

Seems "pointed" because that's your internet tactic to pretend like you're offended, and Then you pretend you are outraged so you can divert questioning of policy to a dead end of you harumph harumphing..

Transparent tacit again and again.


You're beyond proud, you are standing on a pile of something screaming that you are perhaps the best communicator in Canadian History
Natuarlly when you position yourself as "The Man with ALL the Answers---and continually make hints and oblique reference to all the insider knowledge you are privy to---BUT you can't say, too secret!!
And in essence you ask people to "Just Trust Me/Us"

That's ridiculous, yet you do it again and again..
A carefully crafted phrase to make an image of what you want, and eventually the truth comes out and then re-phrasing and recriminations and then DIVERT attention with "You're attacking me!! You're mean!"

I reference third party conversations because there is a growing body of people that believe that your little gang in Calgary are ruining CARS just like the idiot Harper is ruining Canada.

And since you have volunteered your way into positions of responsibility in CARS---and, despite the absurd accusations from your buddy that I am "legally defaming Canada' * I have had a longer affection for Canada and motorsports in Canada than either of you softies and it pains me to see you and your little activist gang ruin something I have liked and respected for decades before you arrived--

-it is to be expected that people alarmed at tired , cliched, and downright ignorant "solutions" will voice opinions commensurate to their alarm..

Don't like it here?
Go.
Don't like it in general?
Resign.
Go do something you are presumably capable of and shoot photos for the newspapaer---where your opinions don't fuck with my friends and colleague plans and pocketbooks .

No response is needed, we've heard it all before, some bullshit. I repeat this shit because there is a thought one day you might begin to think "Hmmmmm I wonder how this (latest) brilliant idea will affect most of the guys, it's ONLY another________ in cost or __________in time"

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John Vanlandingham
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What is the deal with Peltor, anyway? Are they no longer producing motorsports helmets? Or have they switched from the British standard to FIA?

Or are they bankrupt and gone?

Why would you assume they're bankrupt?

Originally a Swedish company, their main focus has always been industrial hearing protection and communications. They were bought by Aearo (a US company) awhile back, but mostly left alone in their operations. Aearo was acquired by 3M in 2007. They're still making intercoms and autosport helmets, but where they used to have two models - an open and a closed-face - they're down to just open-faced ones. Here in the US they sell G79. They never got that one BS certified, instead opting to go with Snell and FIA. It is Snell SA-2010 and FIA 8858-2010 approved, so it will be acceptable for many years to come. They also sell a carbon-composite version of that called the G89 but I don't think it's sold in the US. It's also FIA 8858-2010 approved, but it's not SA-2010.

Almost.

Helmets are not FIA 8858-2010 approved. Head and neck restraint systems are.

As far as helmet standards, the G79 is Snell (currently SA-2010 (wonder why they didn't go with SAH-2010 since they have HANS posts)) and the G89 is FIA (8860-2010).

Just FYI, here is a brochure with the Peltor/3M motorsports products - http://peltorcomms.3m.com/Admin/files/20111229160922.pdf

alan

Argh. Yes. 8858 is not a helmet standard. It's an H&N standard. They do list helmets that are compatible with the standard, but it's not a standard for helmets. You are correct, sir. Agreemsg.

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