100AW Pricing

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mke723
600 to 900 Thats a big jump in price, did they change anything to make it worth the Extra $$?

You didn't read my post. It is NOT a $300 jump in price.

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johnhuebbe

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mke723
600 to 900 Thats a big jump in price, did they change anything to make it worth the Extra $$?

You didn't read my post. It is NOT a $300 jump in price.

Lesson in Marketing...the uninformed consumer only looks at one price.

600+20+180+50 = 600

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buerckner
Glad we're now the only ones with massive entry/series fees.
$3300 AUD to regisiter for our national championship

most event (at national (ARC) level) are over $2k.

Generally 2 days rallying and approx 300km SS competiive

Here hasn't been over 120 km in 20 years---all because the behinds the scene horse trading of certain old teams---who correctly pointed out back when we'd go further that they almost always had the win in the bag by 40 miles so "what's the point in going further?" In typical short sighted American thinking only about the winner...

Over on the "enforced pleasant or ELSE!!" SS.com (where the motto is "You will be pleasant! We have ways of making you pleasant! All unpleasantness of any for is VERBOTEN!) sombody posted the Entry form from the fist SCCA stage rally: 1973 Sno-Drift in Michigan..

1973 entry fee: $25

10 years later: around $55 for around 90miles

5 years later around $85

Another 5, 1993 around $125 Regional

1995-'97 National: $400

Today Sno*Drift Championship Rally

Early: $1,850
$2,000
After 11 Jan $2,300

74 times more than 1973


so 100 Acre Woods is a deal at only 70 times more than back then.

let's find some more ways to increase costs!
Keeps the rif-raff out dontcha know.

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The resulting price increases were directly the result of decisions made by the organizers to allow those fees to be increased on them. Fees could have been flat (or gone down) if different choices were made by those same organizers.

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EricW
The resulting price increases were directly the result of decisions made by the organizers to allow those fees to be increased on them. Fees could have been flat (or gone down) if different choices were made by those same organizers.

That is the question iddnit?

Why? Self inflicted wounds?

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EricW
The resulting price increases were directly the result of decisions made by the organizers to allow those fees to be increased on them. Fees could have been flat (or gone down) if different choices were made by those same organizers.

That is the question iddnit?

Why? Self inflicted wounds?

And "how" is important as well.

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EricW
The resulting price increases were directly the result of decisions made by the organizers to allow those fees to be increased on them. Fees could have been flat (or gone down) if different choices were made by those same organizers.

Great statement. This issue has largely been over looked, ignored or maybe it just ain't important?

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EricW
The resulting price increases were directly the result of decisions made by the organizers to allow those fees to be increased on them. Fees could have been flat (or gone down) if different choices were made by those same organizers.

Great statement. This issue has largely been over looked, ignored or maybe it just ain't important?

If I were a RA competitor (which I'm not), I'd be mildly angry that the people that organize the events made decisions that would directly cause my entry fees to go up. I would be angrier if I knew that they had the option of keeping things flat (and therefore operating closer to, or in the black) for the health of the event. I would be especially angry if I knew that they had the option to lower the fees and operate at the same level of margin that they had in the past... to my benefit.

If people really are concerned about the ever-increasing entry fees and license costs, they should know that every single RA event that was paired with an RA national was given the option to lower fees if changes were made. Instead, a conscious decision was made to do the opposite.

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EricW
If I were a RA competitor (which I'm not), I'd be mildly angry that the people that organize the events made decisions that would directly cause my entry fees to go up. I would be angrier if I knew that they had the option of keeping things flat (and therefore operating closer to, or in the black) for the health of the event. I would be especially angry if I knew that they had the option to lower the fees and operate at the same level of margin that they had in the past... to my benefit.

If people really are concerned about the ever-increasing entry fees and license costs, they should know that every single RA event that was paired with an RA national was given the option to lower fees if changes were made. Instead, a conscious decision was made to do the opposite.

Yo bro, you either drink the koolaid or you don't.

Video killed the radio star. Why can't video MAKE a rally star!
Any way you look at it, the only rally championship that matters in the US right now is Rally Americas and thus it's the only one with potential ROI and thus potential sponsorship and hitting the big time. As there will always be naive youth, there will always be people who delusionally think they are just a few stages and a little more experience away from being big time.

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EricW
If I were a RA competitor (which I'm not), I'd be mildly angry that the people that organize the events made decisions that would directly cause my entry fees to go up. I would be angrier if I knew that they had the option of keeping things flat (and therefore operating closer to, or in the black) for the health of the event. I would be especially angry if I knew that they had the option to lower the fees and operate at the same level of margin that they had in the past... to my benefit.

If people really are concerned about the ever-increasing entry fees and license costs, they should know that every single RA event that was paired with an RA national was given the option to lower fees if changes were made. Instead, a conscious decision was made to do the opposite.

Yup, I should probably be taken to the woodshed or something. Maybe shot, hanged, or drawn & quartered.

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EricW
As there will always be naive youth, there will always be people who delusionally think they are just a few stages and a little more experience away from being big time.

What about kids like me who just want to run a race in my shitty old Ford for the hell of it? I guess we just have to get pissed on while RA does stupid shit like this and then wonders why it's about to die. Or maybe that's why the price is so high? Get a few more dollars before the dog dies. Either way, it sucks. But oh well.

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buerckner
$3300 AUD to regisiter for our national championship

I apologise for a slight thread-jack:

Andrew, I beleive the ARC is using the RallySafe Tracking system. What sort of reaction did the competitors have to this being brought in and the increase in fees that (presumably) came with it. I know Honda is kicking some money in to support it but not all of the cost.

Yes we are using the RallySafe system, and competitors generally see it as a good thing. Organisers say it makes tracking of competitors much more accurate in case of emergency etc.

We also have a professionally produced TV package that gets some good airtime on free to air TV here. It could do with a few less talking heads and more actually rallying but all in all it's pretty watchable for the average joe.

Some of the biggest competitor gripes are the use of control tyres(costs etc), and the move to 2WD as the Premiere class with 4WDs being a secondary class.
But both of these moves are needed to keep funding and manufacturer interest.

thanks!

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

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buerckner
the move to 2WD as the Premiere class with 4WDs being a secondary class.

Really? insterestink!

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buerckner
the move to 2WD as the Premiere class with 4WDs being a secondary class.

Really? insterestink!

From my following of the ARC, the only, ONLY reason this happened is because there are two manufacturers (Honda, who campaigned a civic last year) and Toyota (long term eternity supporter of the ARC with 4wd corollas, just as Subaru has been an incredibely long term supports of CARS) who would actually buy in. I'd bet money they wouldn't have done it if the manufacturer support hadn't been there.